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Vivian
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« on: August 23, 2004, 05:35:22 PM »

at the finish, the race was a total runaway.  Can someone tell me what they did to Biffle's car to enable him to get that kind of speed and lead?  I just don't understand what they could have found that would get that much advantage.  Practice and quals are all so close that when I see a runaway, then those nagging thoughts come up that there must be something the inspectors are not finding.  Any ideas?
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sally
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2004, 08:02:43 PM »

They talked to the Handrick bunch before the last 3 races?
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Vivian
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2004, 08:36:20 PM »

I read on Jayski that they found infractions in pre race on Mark's car.  Something to do with fuel cell entrance and something else I don't seem to remember.  It is hard to beleive that some of those cars don't have traction control hidden somewhere.  Guess I am just suspicious.  But then another theory I have, is that since some of their drivers are definitely already in the top ten then they are exerimenting to see what they can get away with before the last 10 races and have not gotten caught yet.  Like I said I am suspicious and that is my opinion.  Things just don't add up sometimes and it makes me wonder.   :roll:
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2004, 10:19:51 PM »

Vivian, were you wondering the same thing a month or so ago when Jimmie J was blowing everyone out?
Michigan seems to be a track at which the Roush cars always run well. I think that Greg and his crew simply got it right, finally.
What's more of a mystery to me is what is going on with the 48 car. I hope that they are just experimenting and not really having serious problems. Oh well. :?
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2004, 11:40:16 PM »

I sort of wondered about JJ and Jeff but I really think they have found something others have not prior to now.  I have always thought they have somehow managed to have traction control and it is well hidden.  The reason I think that is that they always took some time before going into their burnouts whereas everyone else just did them.  Remember, JMHO.  Jeff is a super good driver and very calculating but Jimmy is still new and I think the equipment plays a bigger role for him so there has been something there for a while.  But now, I think everyone is experimenting for the chase and they have been going just too far with several things and that is the reason for JJ's problems.  Points for them don't really matter at this time and if they can find something and it is not illegal or detected, then they have the last 10 races covered.   Cool

I thought it strange that Biffle did not do a burnout and immediately suspected t.c.  But then like I said before, maybe I am just too suspicious.  I think they are trying stuff and I sort of wonder if maybe that is why Jeff Burton left, because he didn't want to do some of the stuff so he was not really taking advantage of all they are trying or have found and therefore was not running as well.  After the gas tank thing with Mark, it makes me wonder rather than feeling they finally hit it right on with whatever it is that they were trying.  The tank thing could be a cover up for something else and it would stop them from looking at other items??  Again, JMHO and suspicions.  :wink:

You know what really takes the cake for me?  This lug nut thing.  How in the world can all those crew chiefs think it is okay just to have them glued on and not tightened?  One may not be too bad but still, look at the safety aspect and think about it.  Even I feel that installed means completed correctly; so they all try to get every advantage there is even if it means jeopardizing safety sometimes.  If they can slip anything by, then they sometimes win but sometimes create hazards for others.  However, Nascar does have the rules written loosely so they can interpret them however they (Nascar) choose to at the time and that gives the crews and owners the same privilege at times.  

Just my nature to question things.  As DW and others have alluded to at times, they all try stuff and sometimes get away with it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2004, 11:43:12 PM »

vivian  do you have any proof they are using traction control? if so pleasr reveal it if not i don' t  think you should mention this again.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2004, 02:00:57 AM »

The difference between Biffle and Johnson are the type of cars they drive.  Biffle won and Johnson doneblowedup!  Oh, oh, here comes the rotten tomatos!   :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2004, 02:12:01 AM »

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Again, JMHO and suspicions.  :wink:


Hey Ron, don't be too hard on Vivian.  She's a good balance here and  maybe a little disappointed that the Chev's didn't perform on Sunday.  I doubt anyone here has proof about anything and if we did, the NASCAR mafia would have looked after us by now.

I just noticed that I'm a veteran!  Imagine that!  Does that mean I'm entitled to a pension now?
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2004, 03:23:15 PM »

Smiley you're right john maybe i did take her comments personally.it's just that this is not the first time i've heard these charges and people say them and either can't or won't present proof.i'm a big jeff gordon fan so vivian if you read this i'm sorry if i attacked you wrongly.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2004, 05:42:50 PM »

No, Ron. No proof, just suspicious as I mentioned.  You were not hard on me.  Sometimes maybe it seems like a bash against someone but I always try to insert that it is just my opinion or suspicion.  Besides, didn't I really make a good remark about Jeff?  When I said I think there was something there, I meant an assortment of things that they have found that helps JJ as Jeff is naturally good and has more experience than JJ.   Smiley

Congratulations, John, on being a veteran.  Thanks for standing up for me.  That was a good compliment in reference to the balance of things.  And you know, I am a GM person; but normally I am a driver fan more than a car fan when it comes to racing.  Besides, the cars don't run Chevy or Ford motors, just the body is supposed to represent them, I think.  But only the decals look like the makes.   :?

More than anything, I am just a realist and I try to look at things objectively but sometimes it is really hard to do that.   :roll:

BTW, did anyone watch Wind Tunnel last night?  The "Last Call" was just too much.  Some lady in Texas asked Dave if the #6 Viagra team always had problems with their 'nuts'.  Dave wouldn't touch it.  Way too cool! :lol:
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2004, 05:44:49 PM »

Okay, I am asking that everyone please calm down here.  This is why I have asked everyone to please NOT bring individual driver preferences into discussions here.  When that happens, we all get defensive and I really don't want to see people get angry with each other here.  

The bottom line is that ALL teams cheat.  That is a well known fact.  It's always been part of the sport and it always will be.  We don't need DW to tell us that.  They ALL cheat and some are just better at doing it than others.  Eventually NASCAR catches up with every teams "innovations."  That's just the nature of racing.

I am asking that everyone please take a deep breath here and let this topic die, ok?  

Thanks!

The Mean Mommie coming to you live from the media center at Bristol   :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2004, 06:39:56 PM »

May I have just 1 more shot, Momma Cheryl? Please?
 Here it is- Hey John, if you find the "pension" please share the info. Some of we old goofs could use it. Thanks! Cheesy  Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2004, 06:41:15 PM »

cheryl i concede the point. also good point about cheating i'm sure many teams do it's unfair and unfortunate but that's life.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 12:27:12 AM »

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May I have just 1 more shot, Momma Cheryl? Please?
 Here it is- Hey John, if you find the "pension" please share the info. Some of we old goofs could use it. Thanks! Cheesy  Cheesy


Couldn't we all.  I just thought a "Veteran's Pension".

Cheryl, I'll let my piece die by saying that I didn't sense anybody getting too stressed out and I thought that was evident by all the "smily faces".  If there was anything I did or said wrong, I apologize.  I just want to see everyone get along as well.  Cheesy

PS:  Are you really in the media centre?  Cool.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2004, 01:08:00 PM »

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Cheryl, I'll let my piece die by saying that I didn't sense anybody getting too stressed out and I thought that was evident by all the "smily faces".  If there was anything I did or said wrong, I apologize.  I just want to see everyone get along as well.  Cheesy  


No, John, I don't think you said anything wrong.  It's just that there are many drivers who "polarize" fans and whenever anyone starts talking negatively or positively about them, people on the other end of the spectrum get stressed.  

I would just like us all to avoid those situations on this forum in the future.  This is suppose to be fun, not stressful for any of us.   :wink:

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PS:  Are you really in the media centre?  Cool.


Yes, I really was there on Tues and Wed, but now I'm back in Maryland, sitting at my desk at work.   :cry:  

But seriously, Lou and I got out of Bristol just in time IMHO.  The crowds on Wednesday night were getting way too rowdy for our tastes.  People were shooting off fireworks at 2:30 and 4:30 a.m. in the campground.  That confirmed our decision to watch the race from the couch tomorrow night is the right one.  We took tons of pictures and hopefully we'll be able to put a link to some of them up soon.

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