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« on: August 07, 2004, 04:47:37 AM »

Now I love to get dirty when it comes to living a lie through what might be going on behind the scenes. I love to believe in the make believe as I think you all will soon know what term I refuse to use.
 A bit ago the issue of jumping on the roof came to light and finaly to a head as to not disturb the hieght of the cars roof. In short, jumping on the roof that was a longtime tradition was now a no-no. Helton said in his "X radio interview" that "this is not the county fair where we jump out of the car blah blah..thirty year policy blah blah blah!
Soon, very soon after there were no drivers jumping on the roofs it was a table for Gatorade bottles and towels, Cardboard standups, Even a case of BUD!
  Now I ask you fine folks ( I believe this to be true). Did NASCAR pull the wool over everyones eyes with this make believe 1/8 inch too low crud just to shore-up a deal that they spawned about generating some more greed bucks. Be it born of the NASCAR womb or some American economic super power such as Coke or Pepsi that approached NASCAR it seems quite a tight fit. Now I don't care too much about comercialism and who is drinking what and all that washes down the well, but I will say it is an insult to my INTEL, that a soda pop compamy can be responsible for a $10,000 fine while the political race that seems so focused on a mirage of employment figures that further slap me around by my sheep like brain to try and tell me the economy is growing. While we see Fruit of the Loom under garments be manufactured south of the border our supposed job growth lay in a starbucks and micky dees'. What does this have to do with racing? We're goiing to Mexico folks! has not one of the generals heard of the banditos let alone the rotten taste that nafta has left in the now starving mouths of the american manufacturing work force. Thumbs down NASCAR.....THUMBS DOWN. I can only wait to see if there will be a fine or penalty if teams choose to skip this one. Spin doctors sign up here!
 I heard a long time ago about Mexico but .....Man?[/b][/i]
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2004, 02:54:17 PM »

I don't like NASCAR forcing the Busch teams to spend the money to haul so far from their race shops at all, but let's stay away from any political discussions around here, ok?

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2004, 06:16:59 PM »

It does seem odd that in a series that Nascar says they want to cut costs in that they would take that series out of the country.  I don't like it but we have no control over what they do.  There are so many other tracks they could go to that would benefit areas that really want to have Nascar closer to them.  Wonder why they don't bring Busch to Infineon....
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 03:41:06 PM »

Vivian,

What about Portland International Raceway in your home state?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2004, 08:34:58 PM »

I have never been to that track.  It is about 300 miles north of me.  From what I have seen of IRL and other broadcasts and from what I have heard, it is a very good track.  If IRL can run it, so could Nascar.  That is really where I would like to see them go rather than the Seattle area.  not because it is closer to me, but because the area is better suited and traffic would be easier.  Sorry I couldn't really answer your question.   :roll:
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2004, 10:58:57 PM »

I know the truck series used to race there a few years ago.  That was before NA$CAR decided they had to get them away from standalone events where more people could see them and the racing was better.  But now they are moving more and more of them to companion events with Cup next year.   :evil:

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2004, 12:52:55 AM »

Viv,
       I never could understand why Nascar doesn't use the road course there!  If they ran on a road course, the weather wouldn't be a factor, since we all know that Goodyear makes rain tires for road courses!  There's already a track in the area they want to go...why not use it?  Oh wait!  What was I thinking?  They need to race in Mexico and New York before they worry about the northwest, right!  Silly me!
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2004, 03:43:14 PM »

they are trying(wink,wink) to build a track in the portland area so i doubt they will ever use that road course.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2004, 04:05:47 PM »

Cheryl,

The number of Craftsman Truck Series events on the same weekends as Nextel Cup Series will grow to 16 next year, up from nine this year.  The 2005 number includes the last five Nextel Cup dates.

Gone are such places at Portland, Mesa Marin, Evergreen, I-70, and South Boston, in favor of the much bigger tracks and brighter lights.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2004, 04:17:14 PM »

Quote from: "Desmond"
Cheryl,

The number of Craftsman Truck Series events on the same weekends as Nextel Cup Series will grow to 16 next year, up from nine this year.  The 2005 number includes the last five Nextel Cup dates.

Gone are such places at Portland, Mesa Marin, Evergreen, I-70, and South Boston, in favor of the much bigger tracks and brighter lights.


Yes, I know and it really sucks...the truck series was SO much better when they stayed on short tracks.  Also, it was truly a "nationwide" sport when it went to the places you've listed plus Flemington, NJ.  I'm still disappointed Lou and I didn't get up there before they stopped going there.  

So, South Boston is off the schedule after this year as well?  I wasn't aware of that.  Those guys put on a whale of a show there the last 3-4 years.  How sad...Sad

These changes are part of what has made me lose a lot of interest in the truck series lately.  Plus the coverage on SPEED...

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2004, 06:20:51 PM »

anybody know why nascar  is trying to run truck races with the cup series?because it would seem to me that not having stand alone truck events just plain dumb
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2004, 07:24:40 PM »

I can only assume they think if they "lock" people into weekend package requirements for both the Cup and truck races, they'll make more profits.  It's all about profits to NASCAR.  To me, the mindset about better crowds at companion events shows that NASCAR is just talking out of both sides of their mouth.  If they truly wanted to bring racing to more areas of the country, they would've kept the truck series on the original tracks and made it affordable for fans instead.  The first truck race I went to in Martinsville was like $25, I think.  Now they're charging at least $40-45 for truck races at the smaller tracks like Martinsville, Richmond or Dover.  I can't imagine what they'll charge at places like Texas and Phoenix.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2004, 07:41:27 PM »

I agree with Cheryl that they want to be able to market "package" tickets to as many people as possible.  So far, I haven't been required to purchase tickets for the trucks as Bristol.  Good thing, because if I had to come up with another 2 nights for a motel, I couldn't afford to go to any of them!  It's a good way to pad their profits, and then can be used to justify moving even more races to "major markets".  I thin they run the risk of showing even more fans how much better the racing is with the big, non-aerodynamic trucks than with the cars!  Espacially if they go to the new, flat tracks where aero means everything for the cars.  Or, maybe they want to get away from the short tracks because the racing there is usually better, period.  If ya got nuthin to compare it to, mediocre starts looking OK.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2004, 03:41:21 PM »

thanks cheryl i forgot about the current mindset of nascar!!
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