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sally
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« on: January 24, 2007, 07:00:03 PM »

I think Hydrogen Boy listens in to our forum.

http://www.autoextremist.com/page3.shtml#fumes

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 07:02:46 PM »

He makes some good points, Sally!  But I don't agree that the reason the fans are walking away is ticket prices.  It's the lack of racing and all the gimmicks.  And ya'll know how I feel about cutting the number and length of races...

Here's my favorite part:

"The racing? It has become a sidelight, with cookie-cutter cars that have little connection to the average fan. The fans? They're rapidly fading from view, or they're at least far down the priority list for the corporate sponsors involved. Oh, everyone talks a good game to be sure - the common refrain you hear from NASCAR and its sponsors is that "It's all about the fan" or "If it weren't for the fans we wouldn't be here."

That makes for a good sound bite, but it has nothing to do with the reality. "

Amen!

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 08:15:35 PM »

If the price of the tickets were the only cost, then I would agree with you Cheryl. But figure in all the associated costs of travel, lodging, food, etc., and the ticket price becomes a factor, in my not so humble opinion. Grin

 But we do agree that the lack of exciting racing is probably the biggest factor.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 11:03:01 PM »

here's what it cost me to go to the coca-cola 600 last year

Qualifying tickets: Free admission

Saturday Busch Race: 4 tickets at $54                       $216
Sunday Cup Race: 4 tickets at $127                          $308
Parking on Saturday:                                               $20
Parking on Sunday: Free-included with ticket package
DAYS INN Downtown: 4 nights at $145                      $580
Gas rouond trip from Cleveland to Charlotte                $140
Meals per person: 4 at $200                                    $800
Speed Street expenses:                                         $300
Speeding Ticket on I-75 in Ohio                               $216

Total for 4 people                                                $2580

It is a great trip with great friends but by no means is it cheap to attend a CUP race. It is not a family friendly trip unless you don't plan on leaving the house for 3-4 more years.

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2007, 12:42:13 AM »

here's what it cost me to go to the coca-cola 600 last year

Priceless

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2007, 05:24:23 AM »

Sally, thanks for the link.  I agree with most all of his points and will really go out on a limb here and sorta disagree with Cheryl (shuddering at the reprecussions).  I don't totally agree about the ticket costs keeping people away.  My daughter lives in Charlotte so I've got place to stay thirty minutes from the track.  She and her husband come across some good deals on tickets (less than retail, but not comps) and they always have plenty of my liquid nourishment.  My wife and I do go to Charlotte on Memorial Day weekend but not for the races, just Speed Street and have a race party at their home.  It's not just the cost of the tickets, but they're a major reason to stay home.  The ticket prices wouldn't be quite as unbearable if the racing was better and ingress/egress to the track was a little better.

FWIW, I wasn't too impressed with Speed Street last year.  The highlight for me was the Navy Sky Diving team.  I didn't even know they had one and one look at their landing area scared me (power lines seemingly everywhere) and it was breezy.  Like a train wreck, I had to stay and watch and those folks impressed me.  They all landed right on their marks!  Anyway, the rest of the entertainment wasn't that great and fewer car exhibits than in the past.  With the new granddaughter, we may just stay home (my daughter's) this year. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2007, 01:35:53 PM »

have a race party at their home. 

Ooooh, I want to be invited!   Grin

It's not just the cost of the tickets, but they're a major reason to stay home.  The ticket prices wouldn't be quite as unbearable if the racing was better and ingress/egress to the track was a little better.

The increase in prices is an issue, but I could stomach it IF the racing was like it was 15 years ago and the traffic/crowds weren't so bad.  Plus, even though Charlotte was our favorite track, the campground was ridiculously tight.  Two RVs couldn't even both open up their awnings all the way.  I don't live that close to my neighbors at home, so why would I enjoy doing that on vacation?   Huh?

The Coke 600 tickets went up from about $60 to $120 or so from 1989 to 2002, the last year I think we went to Charlotte.  I could accept that to a certain extent since we were getting 600 miles of racing for the money.  Unlike the camping at Dover which went up from $25 in 1997 to $150 in 2005 (and the requirement to buy both Cup race and both Busch race tickets a year in advance for the "privilege" of paying that for camping twice a year).  That was just extortion as far as I'm concerned.  When they announced that the last time we were there, everyone in the campground was up in arms about it.  Yet by the end of the weekend, they all said "we'll be back."  Unlike Lou and I who had already decided to give up all our tickets and reserved camping before we even heard about it. 

But, with us, it was more of the principle thing about the money than the actual money.  IF the racing had been better (or the rules not so whacked out), we'd probably still be going to NA$CAR races.

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2007, 03:52:26 PM »

Good posts, people. In my case, I got bent out of shape in Las Vegas for similar reasons. The old Stardust was charhging like $150 or more a night, 3 or 4 night minimum, for rooms which only got $39 or $49 per night on normal weekends. And they still gladly took your money at the casino. And talk about traffic!!
 So I have no intention of going back there even tho the track itself is a great facility, and my Ford guys tend to do well there. Grin
 Now, the truck races at IRP or the Busch races there, or even Kentucky Speedway, well, that is a different story.
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