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Smallblock bored
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« on: June 21, 2004, 10:20:14 PM »

Why is that almost every person sitting in a barroom or at home can sit there and say why didn't they show this or show that ? It may be a matter of formulation as how best to cover a race. The cars go in a closed circut so that should help the six digit income brain trust that runs the show to have a foundation to start with. The question is do they? I think not. The list is simple. Start by watching the race. That would be a great start. I say this because at Pocono after the first spin out by Kenseth the camera seemed to be swinging to catch the second by Harvick. Every fan that was within eye shot at the track (in that area) was watching those two rolling around. Instead we never saw the supposed break check that has been what seems to be the realism of the situation. How could the director not have a camera on that pair of cars as they came around that area. If the guys in the booth were on top of the game they would have been "in topic" as the cars approached the same area that beheld the last bumpem stuff. It goes to show ya, watch the race and you may amazed at what you see. I think that the network, which ever it may be now and in the future should have an "outdoors crew" that acts a spotter sort of. I would hate to think that the entire show is based on what is seen on the monitors in the production truck. Any person should know that Larry and the boys are watching the race on the monitor that has the live feed as a main feed. That would drive me out of my mind to watch a race on TV that I am at. The list goes on and on but just start by watching the race FOX. I'm tired of listening to Larry and Co. trying to keep up with the camera switches you make as a pass is being made then switch to something else and have the pass you started with already done or 98 %complete and hear the famouis "and we have a pass by" or even better yet the pass that has been made that the crew calls as trying to be made when in reality has just been made. Somewhere along the line you get way out of touch with "watching the race".
 Last of all please tell the fans what the tires are filled with. It's getting old trying to explain to folks that I am trying to convert that it is not AIR.
 I'm for hire with references as well.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2004, 12:01:51 AM »

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the forum!  Glad you finally got everything to work for you!

I agree that TV needs to be more aware of what is going on around the track.  But I can't believe they don't have spotters around the track.  In fact, I think I read somewhere that they do have spotters.  I think the problem is that the producer/director make the conscious decision not to show everything.  It's been quite clear for a couple years that they are only going to show a few select drivers - those leading and the ones they think are fan favorites.  

You can tell, many times, that the commentators are actually looking out the window and see a lot of stuff that the camera never catches, or else that the director doesn't choose to show those at home.  

Either way, I think the viewers at home are getting shortchanged by the lack of coverage of the field these days.  I think we can all agree on that.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2004, 12:12:31 AM »

WELCOME, Smallblock Bored!  Good to have you join us.

I don't know what the boys in the booth look at.  I think DW must at times be looking at the track because he often goes uh-ohh and we never get to see why.  Actually, they all do that.  I am not sure his mind is on the race all the time and they are usually probably looking at notes and trying to plan what to say next so the actual race is the last thing they really watch.  They like to throw in all their experience and make comparisons and I think they spend a lot of time trying to promote themselves.  I just know we don't get to see all the drivers and all the competition that goes on and at times it kind of makes me mad.  A lot of times I notice things long before they comment on it and I know other fans do also.

We are not really Monday morning quarterbacks but sometimes we do have a more objective view.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2004, 05:34:10 AM »

Short change is a good way to put it. I love the evil side of things, I envy any person that has a job where he/she gets to manipulate people or situations. I love it so much that as a person I those that do. ( Do it ) I think it used to be called compassion. but now it's called being a loser. Or a person who cares about peoples feelings. But to heck with it all. Here's a couple things that need to be adressed in TV coverage.
 1) Better start doing a run through the field more often. Folks are putting alot of cash on the line to sponsor a car and a little plug in the middle of the race is good business. For you and NASCAR.
 SAD PART In world BIG BUSINESS Nextel may not like Alltell getting any spot checks as they are stuck back in the pack right in front of Cingular.
 TURNOFF  I hate comercialism. I'd think that any aspect of coverage has been affected by the company that is on the side of the car. I know tradition is buried next to the Buicks but give Craven and his Tide ride some juice. He went untold all day at Michigan and Tide has been around NASCAR's block awhile.
 2) What happened to so and so and jo jo the monkey? I heard Junie Donlavey was supposed to be atempting a bit of a comeback with the buttpaste deal. No mention what so ever leading up to it. A guy races in the 50's and gets squeezed out and still trys to stay in it in his 80's. Gee give the guy a break. His car would not pass inspection so the team reeled back and took some to get things right for any one who cares. Then poor old Kerry E., carrying the late Dales' name and gold paint from BASS pro can't make the race on time so has to sit out. As fans we would like to here his suffering words as i'm sure it broke his heart and a good word about his upcoming races could have made good fan fare.
  SAD PART There is no concern by the powers that be for any body, anything that is not part of "race day". Don't ask the coverage to be much of a news cast. It's more of a hype cast.
  TURNOFF Each and every week I hope that there will be some sort of new twist to what we watch at home and there never is. So like a sheep to the moon I sit and ponder..." Boy I would have done a feature this week on greenhouse hieght at each post. I wonder if all the guys, Dick Trickle and Dave Marcus are watching the race together since they are part of the teams that set up the IROC cars this week? You know the stuff that escapes us all.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2004, 03:53:46 PM »

I would also like to welcome Smallblock Bored to the forum.  A couple of questions, however:

What is your real first name?

What is the significance of your unusual (at least I think it is) screen name?
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2004, 08:47:20 PM »

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What is your real first name?

What is the significance of your unusual (at least I think it is) screen name?


I hope he doesn't mind me speaking for him, but it's Mike.  Now we have two Mikes and a Michael.   How's about we call him Mike from Buffalo(since that's where he is from)?  If that is okay with you, Mike?   Smiley

I'll let him explain his screen name, but I think it has something to do with engines.  I've always heard the term "small block bored" in conjuction with engines.  

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2004, 05:06:30 AM »

Cheryl,

Yeah, that's fine. i understand fox has been choosy about what sponsors to show from the start. i heard that they didn't have all their graphics ready or something like that.
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 tuned in to watch some commercials, but when they went to break, i saw a nascar race!
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2004, 11:46:50 AM »

Fox is "choosey" in that, unless the sponsor pays for on air ads, they are ignored.  This is the same far sightedness that drove RPM out of business.  How much would you like it as a sponsor, spending all that $$ to sponsor a car, only to realize that tv will ignore your car unless you pony up more $$ for them?  Isn't sponsoring a car supposed to give you that exposure?  I can hardly wait till the last 10 races to see what happens there!
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 03:31:40 PM »

good point sally fox never show cars unless their sponsors pay them to be shown and thay's unfair.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 08:28:13 PM »

Sally, they keep talking about everyone out of the top 10 or those more than 400 points from the leader at that time as having their own race but I just bet we will not get to view those races on television.  We will be allowed to watch the top ones vie for their championship, imo.  

As far as advertisers and sponsors, I still think some will back off next year as they are not getting good exposure on tv.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 11:25:49 PM »

Viv,
   'm sure we won't see much of anyone but those in "THE CHASE"!  If someone else is leading, they will be giving us updates on "...if the race ended now..." crap.   Who cares who's going to finish in 11th?  Since NBC in particular wanted this format to compete with the NFL, they hare going to be hyping it like...like...DW selling T shirts!
Sally :?
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 11:27:01 PM »

HEY!!! I JUST MADE GRIZZLED VETERAN!
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2004, 03:04:08 AM »

Congratulations on being "grizzled" Sally!   :lol:
I just realized sometime today that I made it earlier in the week.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2004, 07:44:29 PM »

Hey, you two old "Grizzled Veterans", Congratulations!!  Bout time I had company.

That crap about if the race ended now is going to be joined by, if the season ended now probably. I really think they will so overplay everything that a lot of us will resort to taping and fast forwarding until we get to see some of the competition which is something I have been doing the last couple of weeks.  That is why my rating contributions have been lacking detailed information.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2004, 07:50:03 PM »

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That crap about if the race ended now is going to be joined by, if the season ended now probably.


I already feel like they are prepping us for that; the way they always show us who is 400 points or more behind the leader every week now.  

I ended up watching a little of the MI race on Monday, I think, but I actually fell asleep during the pre-race show.   :lol:   Fast-forwarded up tot he part when Sterling was leading and watched most of it from there till the end.  Other than not commenting on who got the free pass and Johnson's transmission problems, I still think MRN did a better job of covering the action.

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