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sally
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« on: December 19, 2005, 11:43:49 PM »

I read this article and almost choked!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002691684_nascar19m.html

Nascar is telling the folks in Washington that most fans will spend several days in the area, and drop about a grand each...if they build the track there.  Guess I'm in the 'poverty stricken' category...and I wrote to the lady to tell her so!  I told her that, after I have paid for tickets, an inflated motel room, and gas, I cartainly can't afford to drop a grand in the area.  Heck, most of us are lucky to get enough time off work just to see the race!

That's where this 'vacation destination' crap drives me nuts from Nascat.  I sleep, eat, and drive to the track.  Back to the motel, eat, get up and drive to the track.  They need to know the truth of what happens on a race weekend.  I'm going to see racing, not on a vacation.!

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 01:59:40 AM »

Interesting article.  They said they expect 2 major races but won't even be promised one?  How did I misread that???  Most of us don't have that kind of money to spend.  But the main thing that turns me off is the fact that the racing is not that good any more.  5 to 10 competitive laps out of hundreds do not make it good racing even if there is a neck and neck finish.

I live about 450 miles away from there and from past experience, the traffic for about 1/3 of that is jammed up during commute times even though it is interstate.   When we take a trip up about 90 miles more north of there which makes it about 540 miles from our home, it takes us a good 11 hours on a good day.  They also have to consider the time of year they would be racing out here.  There is a long rainy season for the area.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2005, 12:14:37 PM »

Compared to what nascar is offering to do in NYC (foor the entire bill for the track and guarantee 2 race dates, at least one of the Cup), Washington should be insulted!  

Sal
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2005, 11:19:23 PM »

$1000 each??  What dream land are they in?  I've been to TWO NASCAR races in my lifetime so far and these were special events to us because we had to travel 12+ hours each time to get there. At no point did we spend $1000 each.  We did what you stated.  Went to the race, bought tickets, went back to the motel, bought cheaper alcohol from the corner stores and drank at our hotel room. We were lucky to spend $400 US each and we always bring back a NASCAR jacket which takes up $100 US of the $400.

They are dreaming!

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sally
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 12:31:12 AM »

Wouldn't you love to find out just where  they digup the stats they use to try to con a city into spending the $$ for a track?  Remember, Nascar talked Homestead into building a track, too, to help after Hurrican Andrew.  As I recall,  When the track was losing big money, Nascar/ISC bought the track for pennies on the dollar.  Wonder if they told Washington about THAT?

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 04:26:04 PM »

Sally, you don't really think that these stats have any basis in fact, do you? I don't.
 I have to admit that I probably spent a Grand when I went to the Las Vegas races a few years ago, but that would include food and transportation costs AND my losses in the casinos. And I have not been seriously tempted to go back either. :-D
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 06:23:19 PM »

No, I think they make up whatever stats will make things look good for Nascar.  That's why I wrote to the lady that wrote the article to give her a more realistic view of what the 'average' fan will really spend at a race.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 09:29:45 PM »

See there, I knew you were smart! :-D
 Seriously, there may be a few high rollers who spend more than we average fans. But $1000 per head per race weekend sounds pretty high to me.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 09:40:11 PM »

Sally wrote:

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I think they make up whatever stats will make things look good for Nascar.


That is probably the case for many things that Nascar does as with any big business.  

The people in the infield bring their own food and drink so I am sure they don't get that much income from them in that regard, do they?  Admission costs and parking costs for their R.V.'s must really be attrocious.  How much do the vendors have to pay Nascar for having their stands there?  How many are private and how many are a part of the track?
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2005, 06:04:47 PM »

Vivian, I don't remember the exact numbers, but Daytona, for instance, charges a bunch for the RV spaces for the 500. I know some folks who have been going down there for years and years, who take their RV and camp for 3 or 4 weeks in the Speedway property. There were a bunch of them there last year for the Rolex24, let alone for the 500. It is big business.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2005, 06:10:38 PM »

I checked the Daytona web site. RV spaces for the 500 are $1300 and up to $2700, unless you want to park in a non viewing area where you can't see the race.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2005, 08:08:21 PM »

As we make our pilgrimage to POCONO-INFIELD-WATKINS GLEN CAMPING each year twice, I measure the bill not in dollars and cents but rather in the wholesome memories I give my children of guys squaring off with baseball bat VS. sledgehammer-hiking the gorge at Watkins Glen state park-meeting new families inline at the track-hot showers in an outdoor shower at 3 AM-throwing potatoes at some jerks who run the smoke bomb motor to run the fridge unit-watching a guy get pounded by his own friends for shooting water balloons at the cars during the race(super fool!) ECT. For myself the value of anything is based on the wholesome enjoyment and memory for my family. I dropped a grand going to Watkins Glen race (steve parks win) My engine blew 45 miles away from my home-I had to get flat bedded back(me in the car-kids in the truck) had to rent a car -packed with all the "camping gear" then it rained off and on all weekend. That grand has tons of memories " kids throwing rocks up in the stands during practice" not all good mostly bad. When it is all said and done your formula should include as a base what you get out of it. If I knew I was going to heave a grand to go to a race I would not go. 70 bucks for a hockey ticket I would not go times three 210 for me and the kids heck no. how they picked a rotten apple of a grand is beyond me unless the start counting the value of your socks your wearing as a start. Sorry Vivian but in my opinion I don't think that NASCAR has any real plans to build a track up that way. It will have one in Toronto first, and after the stats on Toronto come out the fans will be spending 2 grand each up there. Me? I love 15 dollar cups of beer. No i'll stay with the Pocono infield at 450 for the entire family and weekend that never ends.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2005, 09:10:10 PM »

Mike, I read your post with interest and I totally agree that it is what you get out of the experience and not the cost is what makes anything worthwhile.  For instance, a card picked with care and signed love, ______ means so much more to me than a dozen roses or any big material present would for an anniversary or birthday.   To me memories are what count most.

Back to the racing, it doesn't really matter to me if they build a track out this way or not.  And if they do want worldwide exposure, I think Canada does need a track and an 'attraction'.  I really think that is what most towns with tracks are becoming now.  JMO...
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2005, 05:27:59 PM »

I, too, wonder why NASCAR fans are expected to spend $1,000 on a race weekend.  Unless, of course, NASCAR/ISC plans to build something to get their money.

Speaking of which...
Mike Kuver has an article about the various related business ventures of the France family:

http://www.laidbackracing.com/2005Articles/MM60.html
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2005, 09:30:51 PM »

Lou and I have been to hundreds of NASCAR races over the years and we've NEVER spent $1000 on a race weekend!  Not even close!  Even when I used to stay in a condo in Charlotte for 10 days during the Winston/Coke 600 week, I didn't spend that much.  I'm not sure where NASCAR digs up this stuff!  Maybe the new breed of fan is willing to spend this kind of money for newer tracks including costly concessions and motels, but I can guarantee you the "average" fan doesn't spend this kind of money to go to a single race.

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