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Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Lou on December 16, 2004, 01:30:53 PM
Taking the next step towards a NY track on the circuit, NASCAR, I mean ISC, I mean NASCAR, I mean ISC pays $100 million for Staten Island site!
 
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December 16, 2004

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- International Speedway Corp. has paid $100 million to buy land in Staten Island to build a New York City track.

The company, which owns or operates 11 of NASCAR's major tracks, hopes to build a $600 million facility on dormant industrial land. Officials said Wednesday it could represent the largest construction project the motorsports giant has undertaken, nearly triple the amount it spent to build tracks in Kansas City, Kan., and the Chicago area.


Here is the rest of the article - http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-newyork&prov=ap&type=lgns

Lou


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: alfers on December 16, 2004, 03:25:19 PM
It's true, Brian is the biggest idiot on earth.  Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to bash individuals in here.
Let me rephrase, The son of prior NASCAR CEO suffers from an intelligence difficiency.  Perhaps he requires proper guidance in business deals.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 16, 2004, 06:36:57 PM
Do you suppose that ISC/Nascar is really that naive about NYC politics, or have they just become drunk on their 'power' within the racing community?  Building a track with very little money from ISC is not going to fly there.  It's different investing that sort of $$ in a footaball stadioum that can be used 8 or 9 times a year, or a baseball stacium that is used MANY times a season, and a track with one...or two dates a year.  That's what killed the ssite they chose for the track in the northeast, after all. :roll:

Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: alfers on December 16, 2004, 07:08:33 PM
In that article it states after the survey is complete they will decide on a race track or some other complex.

As for the difference between that track and WA, WA was going to require some 80 million dollars in highway modifications the residents did not want to foot the bill for, especially for one or two events per year.  

I agree, in the end ISC will be looking for some other tax breaks or state funded assistance and they WON'T get it.  Especially with Hillary involved, she thought race tracks supported gas guzzling wastes of money.  

While I lived in NYC, that Goethals bridge was always under construction.  Good luck getting those haulers in and out of there.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Vivian on December 16, 2004, 10:14:09 PM
Washington would definitely require some hiway modifications.  Sometimes it takes 2 hours to go 40 miles in the Tacoma, Seattle and Everett areas which is near the proposed site that now seems out of the question for the area.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: ronbarnes77 on December 18, 2004, 04:35:20 PM
this track has no shot of being approve because mayor bloomberg won't support it.also they would have to put up at least 50% of the money and i'm pretty sure isc won't plus the traffic concerns are a big concern.wait until you guys try to attend a race here i'd advise you not to bring a car.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Cheryl on December 18, 2004, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: "ronbarnes77"
wait until you guys try to attend a race here i'd advise you not to bring a car.


I'm certainly not planning on attending a race in NYC, Ron.  :lol:   Sorry, just had to...Lou and I are going to LESS congested race tracks, not more crowded areas...

Cheryl


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 19, 2004, 02:44:48 AM
I must be wierd or something...OK, no wise cracks...but NYC is the LAST place i'd want to go to see a race!  I go to a RACE.  If I go to NYC it would be for plays and shopping.  No time for a race.  That's one of the reasons I like Martinsville and Bristol...ain't nuthin' around but the track!  Besides, with practice, qualifying, and racing, who has time to do anything else?  I guess I'm just not into 'vacation destinations' when I'm going to the track.  Guess you can tell I'm an OLD fan, eh?
Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 20, 2004, 10:13:58 PM
You know, one of the raps against Darlington, as I recall, was that there was little other things, in the line of entertainment I guess, around that area. My reaction to that was DUH- with one of the most exciting race tracks around the country, who needed more entertainment???
  There I go, thinking like a RACE fan again. Shame on me. :roll:
Dick (all I want for Christmas is a little blue helmet) H.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 20, 2004, 10:28:06 PM
Shame on you is right!  Don't you know that Nascar is an "entertainment" now, NOT a sport?  They want tracks in 'vacation destinations'.  Stupid.  By the time I drive back and forth from the track for the quals and practice, grab a meal, then get to bed early enough to try to beat the worst of the traffic to the track, I don't have TIME to do anything else, anyway!  Besides, who wants to pay for a motel room any longer than it takes to see the race?  How much time do those guys in Daytona think we can take off work, anyway?

Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 20, 2004, 11:50:40 PM
Come on, Sally. Does Brian look like he ever really WORKED adayin his life?? :lol:


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 21, 2004, 02:43:19 AM
SURE he has...for his Daddy.  You know how precarious THAT must have been, right?
Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Cheryl on December 21, 2004, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
You know, one of the raps against Darlington, as I recall, was that there was little other things, in the line of entertainment I guess, around that area. My reaction to that was DUH- with one of the most exciting race tracks around the country, who needed more entertainment???
  There I go, thinking like a RACE fan again. Shame on me. :roll:
Dick (all I want for Christmas is a little blue helmet) H.


Only 14 more posts to go, Dick, and you'll get it!  Better work on thinking up things to talk about.   :lol:

As to Darlington, I don't agree about "vacation destinations" either, cause for me a racetrack IS a vacation destination.  However, IMHO you have one of the best vacation areas in the south about 40 miles from Darlington:  Myrtle Beach.  Both times I went to Darlington, that is where I stayed.  So I was able to enjoy the beach along with the race track.  What more can you ask?  Oh yeah, I guess the "new" fans need the glitz of Las Vegas slots or NYC, right?  IMO, anybody who needs that type of distraction isn't really a race fan in the first place.  

Cheryl


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 21, 2004, 03:52:58 PM
Cheryl, I got excited just by driving by Darlington on my way to Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago. I mean DARLINGTON,!!!!!! the epitome of all good things Nascar, right? I thought then I really need to go there for a race, (but not in November). Oh well... :cry:


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Cheryl on December 21, 2004, 04:31:01 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
Cheryl, I got excited just by driving by Darlington on my way to Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago. I mean DARLINGTON,!!!!!! the epitome of all good things Nascar, right? I thought then I really need to go there for a race, (but not in November). Oh well... :cry:


Well, remember next year's [lone] race in in May (Mothers Day weekend).  Why not take Roberta there to celebrate?   :lol:

Cheryl


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: drpep (brian) on December 21, 2004, 04:53:47 PM
All I know about NYC and Nascar is what I read in the NY Post, the Daily News and when I flip thru the Times and that is nothing. During banquet week the Post had nothing and I flipped thru the Times and saw nothing. The Daily News did have a photo section in it's Sunday photo magazine insert. When the local cable provider carried NYC channels they never showed any Nascar news.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 21, 2004, 05:19:07 PM
If I could get some of the grandkids to go to Myrtle Beach with her, that just might work, MIGHT, YOU KNOW.... :lol:


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Cheryl on December 21, 2004, 05:29:49 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
If I could get some of the grandkids to go to Myrtle Beach with her, that just might work, MIGHT, YOU KNOW.... :lol:


Sounds like a wonderful vacaton to me!  Go there early in the year before it gets so crowded.  I used to go to Myrtle Beach on Memorial Day and Labor Day weekends, BEFORE I got into racing.  But I like the racetrack much more than I ever cared for the beach.  Haha!  Talk about being weird, huh?   :oops:

Cheryl


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Vivian on December 21, 2004, 06:49:52 PM
Dick, start a new post so you can get more helmets.  I will answer them and help you out so you are there by Christmas.   :wink:

If I went to Darlington, I would spend most of my waking hours at the track.  I think Bristol would be the greatest to go to.  Also, Richmond and Martinsville.  The only one I have ever been to is Daytona and it was a definite thrill and I loved all the races when I would go.  Usually during Speed Weeks so would get to see a lot.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 21, 2004, 08:20:10 PM
Frankly, Vivian, I don't think I would go back to Daytona, but it is something you have to see at least once.
Now that I have some short track experience, I prefer the shorter tracks, even the 11/2 mile cookie cutters.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Vivian on December 22, 2004, 01:37:11 AM
Hi Dick!  Actually, I used to live in Orlando so went to Daytona a lot.  two of my brothers still live in Central Florida so when I go to visit I have to time it either in February or at Thanksgiving.  I loved being at Daytona.  Back then it was real racing.  If I happen to go back again in February, I will try to make Daytona as that is where my roots in being a fan started.  Along with the local track in Orlando which is now defunct and replaced with other ones.  Times do change, don't they?


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 22, 2004, 04:00:53 PM
Ok I thought there was no bashing on here but I read this thread and the new fans are getting a beating again.  I am a new fan and I proudly state that when I go on vacation to a race I also look for what else the area has to offer.  Usually my hubby and I use our time share for accommodations and we have a whole week (8 days).  So three days of racing and four days of sightseeing and doing other things.  Is this a crime?  I don't think so.  While I agree the traffic in NY would be a bear, I would consider going to that race - three days of racing and four days of playing in NYC!

Give us "new" fans a break.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 22, 2004, 08:47:06 PM
Hey, sorry about that. No offense intended.
Except for Las Vegas, my trips to the races have always been primarily for the race. Even at Vegas, I would not have paid the room rate that I did for a room had it not been for the race.
  Other attractions are nice, I guess, just have not been that important to me.
  Again, no offense intended.
Dick :)


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Vivian on December 22, 2004, 09:34:57 PM
Hey Beth, glad to have you back.   :) It has been a while. Saw you had a couple of posts lately but were gone for a while.  Check your email...

No offense intended from me either.  Sometimes I think it is hard for us old fogies to totally understand all the new theories even though we understand the changes, just not why so many changes.  Don't ever think we are bashing the new fans.  That just is not true.  I think it is the turn the sport has taken that has us up in arms at times.  Not the fans...


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 22, 2004, 10:38:00 PM
Sorry Beth, didn't think amy of us made reference to new or old there.  My point was just that I go to see the race.  That's all the time I can afford to take off work...Thurs. thru Monday.  Going to the raceIS myvacation.  Guess I just don't worry about what's around, except the racing.  Got no interest in gambling, so Vegas doesn't appeal to me, and I'm not that fond of big cities.  I love the older tracks out in the middle of nowhere...but that's just my preference.

Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 23, 2004, 04:39:49 PM
Didn't mean to sound so serious.  I meant it more like teasing - tongue in cheek.  The only reason we go for a week at a time is because we have the timeshare.  We stayed this year in Vegas for seven nights and it only cost us $129.  I could not do it if I had to pay that or more per night.  We get a lot of vacation time where I work - 5 weeks per year plus we can carry over about six weeks from the previous year.

Being born and raised in NY I am definitely a city girl.  My husband and I both like to socialize and have fun.  We have no kids so we can spend our money on toys and vacations and such.  Believe it or not though he really wants to go to Bristol so I will be looking for timeshares in the vicinity in the near future.  Me - I want to eventually go to Daytona (July race), Charlotte and Homestead.   This year we went to Hawaii so 2005 we are not planning any big vacations - just Vegas.  And believe it or not we do not gamble that much when we go.  I think this year we gambled one night for a few hours and that was it.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 23, 2004, 04:44:48 PM
Sorry Beth!  Guess the Post Shopping Stress caught up with me...that, and the 5 inches of snow we got overnight!  Never been so glad that I don't have to go to work today!

You'll love Bristol!  Good luck finding someplace to stay that isn't a gouge!  Staci and I have a great time, and I really look forward to going every year.

Have a great Xmas!
Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: old hot rodder on December 23, 2004, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: "sally"
Sorry Beth!  Guess the Post Shopping Stress caught up with me...that, and the 5 inches of snow we got overnight!  Never been so glad that I don't have to go to work today!

You'll love Bristol!  Good luck finding someplace to stay that isn't a gouge!  Staci and I have a great time, and I really look forward to going every year.

Have a great Xmas!
Sally

FIVE INCHES OF SNOW!!!
Sally, let me tell you about SNOW. :D
We got a bunch, well over a foot.
See ya.
D ick


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 23, 2004, 07:18:33 PM
LOL..here in sunny AZ I was complaining about the 38 degree temps this morning! :shock:   What is the nearest town to Bristol.  Our timeshares tend to be close to them.  I will have to check our network.  And if we flew in, what airport?


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 24, 2004, 12:44:04 AM
Dick, you have my sympathy!  Ohio got Staci and me coming home from the March race at Bristol in '01...blizzard the lenght and width of the state!  We had always thought it would be a cold day in hell before we were lucky enought to get Bristol tickets, and, well...a blizzard in Ohio is pretty close!  Got an E mail from a friend in Columbus today you should appreciate:
new snow scraper...$5
new wiper blades...$20
not having to go to work...priceless!

Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Desmond on December 27, 2004, 05:45:26 PM
The New York Times ran a story this weekend on the recent purchase of 400 acres of land on Staten Island for a proposed race track, which it said could be open as early as 2009.  Here's a quote from the story:

Quote
[John Graham, International Speedway Corporation's vice president of business affairs] acknowledged that there are still plenty of roadblocks in the way. For one, the Staten Island site is a natural habitat for birds like egrets and herons, and will include as many as 100 acres of marshland. Under the law, developers would be required to create three new acres of marshland for every acre the track would use.

The developers would also have to shovel four million cubic yards of silt from the bottom of New York Harbor so the property is high enough to avoid flooding in severe rainstorms. And officials would have to figure out how Staten Island's congested roads could handle the additional traffic caused by the tens of thousands of racing fans.

Then there is borough politics. Even with the assistance of the Molinari Group, a lobbying firm headed by the former Staten Island borough president Guy V. Molinari, International Speedway officials did little to win over politicians with a recent PowerPoint presentation that asked them to choose between two visions for the prospective site: a glitzy new Nascar track or a gray industrial wasteland.

"That was rather offensive to us," said City Councilman Michael McMahon, whose district encompasses part of the site. "We don't take kindly to threats."


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 27, 2004, 06:09:41 PM
Sounds like it will be an uphill battle.  Not sure what the big deal is about having a track in NY.  They have Watkins Glen, Pocono and NH which are within fairly easy driving distance.  I think it is a political issue for Nascar and not a real NEED for a track there.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on December 27, 2004, 06:15:37 PM
For some reason, the France family has always regarded NYC as their Holy Grail.  I guess they believe the line, "If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere".  It's a personal thing with them ,adn has little or nothing to do with business.  That's why they moved the banquet there instead of having it in Charlotte or Daytona where racing is regarded as a legitimate sport and business. :?

Sally


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 27, 2004, 11:14:17 PM
I don't mind the NY banquet.  They certainly have enough events in Daytona and Charlotte plus the corporate offices for NASCAR are in NY.  It is also fun for the drivers to go there and have fun but the track thing to me is ridiculous.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Vivian on December 28, 2004, 09:16:59 PM
I think the New York Banquet is good as it allows the wives and crews plus their family to do something different and spend time somewhere else.  I know the women must enjoy the shopping and food that is available in the city.  They probably also get pampered a bit by the car owners as to where they get to stay and eat.  Would be fun, I think.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: ronbarnes77 on December 30, 2004, 04:48:25 PM
guys nice to see a discussion about my fave city in the world my home nyc! seriously it looks loke mayor bloomberg won't block the track but won't help build it either. one key thing to remember is that there will be NO PUBLIC MONEY  used to build it remember that.if brian france thinks he is getting taxpayer money he'd better build his track in washington.
also guys there should be nothing wrong with building a track somewhere where there are other things to do people don't want to pay money only to see a race they want other things to do for their bucks.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: Bryan Blanton on December 31, 2004, 10:16:34 PM
New york here they come that sounds like something vince mcmahon the owner of the wwe a wrestling promotion would say.

I,ve also heard vince say their at the starting gate and their off.


Title: New York Here They Come!
Post by: sally on January 01, 2005, 03:28:05 AM
Ron...how can people afford to go anywhere BUT the tracks after they've paid for tickets, food, and lodging...especially in NYC!  I've never had time to go anywhere but the track on race weekend at Bristol or Martinsville.  And at the price of things in NYC....hope you're upper management or better to afford it!
Sally