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Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: drpep (brian) on December 04, 2004, 01:20:15 AM
It happens every year after the broadcast of the Winston/Nextel Cup Banquet, viewers flood the racing publications and message boards complaining about the coverage, content, production,etc,etc. Just remember one thing, the banquet is for the drivers, crew and Nascar folk; not you. Be grateful you get to see it at all.


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: sally on December 04, 2004, 01:40:30 PM
Glad they finally managed to sync the sound and picture.  I guess I couldn't decide if this was thae awards banquet or the 'Kiss Brian Frances' Butt" show.  Of all the ceremonies I've watched, this was certainly the most subdued.  Tepid was about the best reading on the applause meter.

I was not impressed with the prayer meeting that occurred in the middle of the awards.  Rather than being a memorial to those who died in the plane crash, it seemed to be a self serving way for Nascar to parade their "family values" in front of a TV camera.  A memorial during the week would have seemed more respectful and appropriate.  But, maybe I'm just too cynical.   It just wasn't the right time or place for a sermon to me.

Sally


Title: Re: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Lou on December 04, 2004, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: "drpep (brian)"
Just remember one thing, the banquet is for the drivers, crew and Nascar folk; not you. Be grateful you get to see it at all.

I see another one has been lost to the borg's way of thinking.

Be grateful? Hardly. It is they who should be grateful that anyone would watch the 3 hour long series of bad speeches and horrible excuse for highlights....

NASCAR spends it's entire season injecting itself into as much our lives as possible. Through advertisements, merchandise, news, TV, you name it. To think that they are having this nice little quiet private awards show just for themselves is absurd. They WANT you to know about it, to watch it, and to talk about it.

To think otherwise seems to me to be viewing their world with blinders on.

What flavor is that Koolaid?

Lou "I have always hated the stupid show anyway" Lauer


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: sally on December 04, 2004, 04:19:21 PM
Precisely, Lou!  They want fans to be grateful so they can foist whatever trash they like, as long as it has Nascar in the title.  Thank goodness for the few drivers who didn't use the teleprompter and sounded somewhat spontaneous.  Jamie Mc Marry was funny, as was Tony Stewart.  I thought Mark Martin spoke with real feeling.  I still haven't seen Kasey Kahne REALLY smile, have you?  The banquet speeches are about as spontaneous as the victory lane 'celebrations' these days.  I read somewhere (the Richmond paper, I think), that Nascar issues a  basic form to the drivers to 'personalize'.  Then they probably check it for content.

Sally


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Vivian on December 05, 2004, 10:35:14 PM
My official review will be coming soon.  Got to send it to Cheryl so she can post it.  Be sure to read it.  Thanks....


Title: Re: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: drpep (brian) on December 06, 2004, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: "Lou"
Quote from: "drpep (brian)"
Just remember one thing, the banquet is for the drivers, crew and Nascar folk; not you. Be grateful you get to see it at all.

I see another one has been lost to the borg's way of thinking.

Be grateful? Hardly. It is they who should be grateful that anyone would watch the 3 hour long series of bad speeches and horrible excuse for highlights....

NASCAR spends it's entire season injecting itself into as much our lives as possible. Through advertisements, merchandise, news, TV, you name it. To think that they are having this nice little quiet private awards show just for themselves is absurd. They WANT you to know about it, to watch it, and to talk about it.

To think otherwise seems to me to be viewing their world with blinders on.

What flavor is that Koolaid?

Lou "I have always hated the stupid show anyway" Lauer


  #1 The Kool Aid flavor is Raisin. Grape (Raisin) Kool Aid from Canada does taste better than the USA grape.
  #2 I don't give a rats rear end about the banquet, I've never watched one.
  #3 When I say "be grateful" I mean be grateful that about 15 years ago Nascar let ESPN or TNN broadcast the banquet. At one time when the checkered flag waved over the season ending race that was the end of Nascar on TV until the Daytona 500. Don't clog up the letters section in Nascar Scene Magazine complaining that Mark Martin did not mention several drivers last year "because he was jealous that he was once again not champion" Don't complain that a driver did not smile. Don't complain because Nascar does not open the banquet to the public. Don't complain that the event is now a made for TV event, if you've been a fan for awhile you should know that it is FOX/NBC that runs Nascar now so having a scripted event should be no suprise. For those that do enjoy it be grateful someone made room on a network for the banquet instead of a rerun of The Shield or the 500th showing of Moonraker.


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Cheryl on December 06, 2004, 01:57:50 PM
Well, as long as I've been watching NASCAR (granted only since 1988), I believe the banquet has always been televised.  Before 2001, I believe it was always on ESPN, but I could be wrong.  

As to everything being scripted for TV, you are pretty much right, Brian.  I think that is really the reason NASCAR is "shortening" the weekends at many of the tracks next year; because TV doesn't want to "waste" their precious Fridays on showing qualifying.  They'd much rather have it on Saturdays.  I doubt saving any of the teams money as NASCAR claims has a thing to do with it.

As to the banquet, Vivian was gracious enough to write a review of the show.  As soon as I get it in html, and Lou can upload it, please look for it on the main speedcouch page.

Cheryl


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: BAM24/25 on December 06, 2004, 10:10:04 PM
For an awards show, it was ok. Certainly better than last year (remember the flying ballet?)  Watch any awards show - none of them are scintillating TV fare.  I thought Jamie did well as well as Jeff.  Poor Kasey - if that telepromptor had failed, I think he would have keeled over right on stage..lol.  Even Junior was funny.  I am not sure what people expect from this type of show but for what it was it wasn't bad.


Title: Re: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Lou on December 07, 2004, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: "drpep (brian)"
#1 The Kool Aid flavor is Raisin. Grape (Raisin) Kool Aid from Canada does taste better than the USA grape.
  #2 I don't give a rats rear end about the banquet, I've never watched one.
  #3 When I say "be grateful" I mean be grateful that about 15 years ago Nascar let ESPN or TNN broadcast the banquet.<snipp-o-matic>


Brian,

I'm sorry of my reply seemed too harsh. After re-reading it, it does seem a little bit "grumpy" on my part. Something about that word 'grateful' must have hit my button! Nothing personal was meant towards you.

Lou


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: drpep (brian) on December 07, 2004, 02:22:02 AM
:D  :D  :D


Title: Awards Banquet
Post by: jw on December 07, 2004, 06:51:14 AM
Overall, not bad but could have better.

Thumbs Up
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1. Mark Martin-classy speech
2. Video of best finishes from the season

Thumbs Down
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1. The audio being out of sync with the video in the first segment of the
banquet.
2. Bill Weber-not a good idea to be telling bad jokes


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Desmond on December 07, 2004, 05:58:18 PM
I have read Vivian's review of the show.  I did not watch the entire show, but from the parts I watched, I agree with her opinions.

It was interesting to see the show take such a religious turn, because of NASCAR straying from its roots.  There was even talk earlier this year that the organization would drop invocations, flyovers and possibly the anthem from pre-race ceremonies.  Some columnist online (Jodie Strait of Insider Racing News?) thought that this part of the show was over-the-top.  I say it was appropriate and that it even should have happened at the 2001 ceremony after Dale Earnhardt died.

Brian McKnight had a great song.  I did not see Scott Stapp perform; I do know that he has left Creed to start a solo career.

I really believe that Jay Mohr was only there to suck up to more athletes.  I would rather have seen Kenny Wallace out there dispensing the jokes.  He is a driver himself and knows his colleagues very well.

Finally, I didn't notice that Kurt Busch did not receive his trophy on the telecast.  If so, it was a huge mistake.

One plus: no technical glitches causing us to miss portions of speeches.


Title: Re: Awards Banquet
Post by: Cheryl on December 07, 2004, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: "jw"

Thumbs Down
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1. The audio being out of sync with the video in the first segment of the
banquet.
2. Bill Weber-not a good idea to be telling bad jokes


I time-shifted the show on Tivo, so we could ff'd through the commercials.  When I first saw how bad the sound was off, I thought it might have been a problem with the recording, but then we went to "live" and it was better, so we went back to the recording and saw that TNT finally fixed it.  That was really irritating to watch; kind of like a bad Japanese horror movie.  

Anyone outh there with TNT in HD?  I noticed sometimes the sound being off is a real problem with networks new to HD (i.e., ESPN, ABC, etc) on live programming.  Of course, the awards show was tape-delayed by the network I believe anyway, so I guess it doesn't qualify as "live" programming.

As to the jokes, I didn't mind Weber that much, but I see no reason why NASCAR needed that Mohr guy at all. Really stupid to think they have a comedian to "spice up" things.

Cheryl


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Vivian on December 07, 2004, 09:40:11 PM
As I said in my review I don't know how or why Nascar chooses the entertainment they do.   :?   The only one I ever agreed with was when they had Garth Brooks sing "The Dance" after the Earnhardt tragedy.  Even then he said he didn't know why they wanted him as he knew nothing about the sport or anyone in it.  

Like Beth said,

Quote
Watch any awards show - none of them are scintillating TV fare.


I agree with that.  Even when I watch other award shows, they get boring after a while and seem to drag out more than they should.


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: old hot rodder on December 07, 2004, 11:18:26 PM
I agree to all the above. Mohr was a flop as far as I'm concerned. He certainly didn't add anything to the program.
 Had I not been interested in how well Kurt presented himself, I would have turned it off at about 9:30. :lol:
Dick


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: Vivian on December 08, 2004, 08:45:52 PM
Dick, as I stated in my review, I thought Kurt was very gracious.  As I have said before, I am not a fan of his but I am really impressed with the change in him and how he now presents himself.  I also think he is a good calculating driver and in the future I think he will do extremely well because he always seems to overcome adversity.  I was disappointed they did not actually hand him the trophy though.


Title: Awards banquet on TNT
Post by: old hot rodder on December 08, 2004, 09:32:48 PM
Vivian, I'm pretty sure that Jack and whoever else have really worked with Kurt, and I thought he did swell. I believe that Kurt has matured a lot this year.
 The guy I'm impressed with is Jimmy Fennig. I think he did one heckuva job with Kurt this year.
Anyhow, as Beth said, none of these award shows amount to much.