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Title: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 11, 2007, 07:30:15 PM
Just heard on NASCAR Live that Michael Waltrip's intake manifold was disallowed in pre-qualifying tech inspection.  As Lou just said "oh, what a shame..."

Bob Dilner interviewed Mikey right after he heard about the car not making it through inspection.  His comment was "I don't really know any details about it..."  Yeah, right...

Cheryl



Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: shawn on February 11, 2007, 08:34:13 PM
Jayski has something on this, and they found a substance in the inside of the manifold and that it was taken away.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: super61 on February 11, 2007, 08:47:09 PM
toyota trying to cheat??????? no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ken


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 11, 2007, 09:49:46 PM
Jayski has something on this, and they found a substance in the inside of the manifold and that it was taken away.

We heard about that on the qualifying show and Lou suggested it might be Kikkoman. :laugh:

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: super61 on February 12, 2007, 12:39:45 AM
just in from ESPN... Michael Waltrip's #55 has been impounded by NASCAR pending further inpsection.....

ken


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: cowboy271 on February 12, 2007, 12:55:34 AM
I also saw the interview during the qualifing show.  MW said it was oil...."yeah right".  He also said they put on the new manifold and the engine was also squirting oil into the manifold.  It doesn't make much sense to me from the technical side, but could it be another marketing ploy by Mikey?  It's highly unlikely he's going to make the race or draw much attention from the media, so why not trick up the car?  It did get him and Toyota some additional air time and I doubt the cost was much of a consideration.  I thought most of the coverage was pretty well balanced (aside from DW's touting Mikey's effort at developing a multi-car team from scratch).  I did find it rather ironic that DJ drew the pole for the shootout and Vickers was the first car to qualify, but I'm sure NASCAR would never rig anything.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 12, 2007, 07:28:21 PM
Here's more of what Jayski has this afternoon.  Love the comment from Ty Norris that it was not sterno!  ;D

Cheryl

UPDATE 2: NASCAR impounded the #55 NAPA Toyota of driver/owner Michael Waltrip after qualifying. NASCAR officials confiscated the intake manifold off Waltrip's Camry during a prequalifying inspection. NASCAR officials don't know if Waltrip's car is illegal. Waltrip's fate is up in the air. Hunter said NASCAR officials decided to impound the car before qualifying, but allowed Waltrip to make a qualifying run after placing a new manifold on the car. Now NASCAR officials will inspect the entire car to determine if any violations exist. "Our inspectors will go over that car a with a fine-tooth comb," Hunter said. "I don't know how long we will keep it. As of right now, we do not know that the manifold is illegal, but we want to know." Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's director of competition, said officials sent the manifold to the NASCAR Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C., for testing Monday. "Our inspector caught a substance inside that we didn't really know what it was," Pemberton said about the manifold. Pemberton wouldn't give specifics about the problem, but Waltrip said inspectors found oil inside the manifold. "And it's not supposed to be there," Waltrip said. "So they took it to see why the oil was there. I don't really understand what is going on, and people here a lot smarter than me don't understand it either, but we'll figure it out. I'm sure it'll be fine." Hunter wasn't buying Waltrip's explanation. "Our inspection team was not comfortable that it was oil," Hunter said. Pemberton said the situation with the #55 problem was not specific to any individual manufacturer. (ESPN.com)(2-12-2007)
UPDATE 3: Waltrip's Toyota was impounded, with Hunter raising the possibility Waltrip will not be allowed to run that particular car in the 150s or the 500. "We'll go over that car with a fine-tooth comb ... and I don't know how long we'll keep it," Hunter said. Sterno? That's the horsepower trick that rivals suspect tripped up Waltrip when he was busted by NASCAR in the pre-qualifying inspection line for having some unknown "substance" in his intake manifold. NASCAR's Robin Pemberton, the vice president for competition, said that the manifold was being sent back the Concord R&D center for analysis. Presumably the substance could have been some type of oxidant, to provide a bit of horsepower for a short period of time. For years, stock-car teams have at times used such illegal chemical additives at Daytona and Talladega, where NASCAR severely restricts air to the engine, to limit speeds. Ty Norris, the general manager of Waltrip's team, insisted that it was not Sterno: "No, no, no, no. They found some oil in the manifold and said it shouldn't be there," Norris said. "They thought something was amiss. So we changed manifolds, and had the same issue. We showed NASCAR we thought it was blow-by engine oil.(Winston Salem Journal)(2-12-2007)


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: super61 on February 12, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
hell, i'll take him a whole case of sterno....wonder if he uses the liquid or the gel???


Ken


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Vivian on February 12, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
Extra advertising for Toyota sounds good to me.  Doubt if Toyota would go for that but who knows about the teams and driver?


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 13, 2007, 02:11:24 PM
Claire had a crew chief from another team (Phillipe Lopez of the 96 team) on her show last night to explain about the "foreign" susbstance found in Waltrip's manifold.  He said that there should be NO oil or anything like that in the manifold.  That even if they were using exotic oil (which was still legal), it shouldn't have been able to work it's way to that area.  Apparently,  it was something blue and that's where the rumors or sterno started in the garage.  But Lopez said they'd just be stupid to use something like that.  I can't remember all of what they talked about, but it was very interesting. 

Also, Claire discussed what NASCAR found wrong with Kenseth and Kahne's cars.  Supposedly some type of bolts through the windshield on Kahne's car and Claire speculated this was not a severe an infraction as with the 17 car.  Supposedly there were some sort of holes in the wheel-well area of Kenseth's car that would allow more air in there.  Neither makes much sense to me as giving them aero-dynamic advantages, but what do I know?   ???

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Desmond on February 13, 2007, 06:51:53 PM
Sterno?  Isn't that some kind of cooking oil?  In medicine, that is described as a "off-counter use" or words that are similar.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 13, 2007, 07:05:28 PM
Sterno?  Isn't that some kind of cooking oil?  In medicine, that is described as a "off-counter use" or words that are similar.

Sterno is a gel-type fuel source that comes in little tiny cans to be used under chafing dishes or fondue pots.  You light it with a match and it provides a long-lasting small flame to keep food warm.

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: shawn on February 14, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
This gets even more interesting

UPDATE 6: Sirius NASCAR Radio, Ch 128 had PRN's Mark Garrow on the Driver's Seat show this morning and reported that the team had taken a #44 Toyota is reskinning the car and putting the #32 on the car, soucres say the #55 team and Waltrip may be ejected. Waltrip bought the #32 owners points [going with the #00 team] and Cal Wells is listed as the #00 owner.(2-14-2007)



Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 14, 2007, 05:57:41 PM
This whole thing with Waltrip (and others) manipulating car numbers by buying teams is just getting ridiculous!

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Desmond on February 14, 2007, 06:31:46 PM
This gets even more interesting

UPDATE 6: Sirius NASCAR Radio, Ch 128 had PRN's Mark Garrow on the Driver's Seat show this morning and reported that the team had taken a #44 Toyota is reskinning the car and putting the #32 on the car, soucres say the #55 team and Waltrip may be ejected. Waltrip bought the #32 owners points [going with the #00 team] and Cal Wells is listed as the #00 owner.(2-14-2007)

Obviously, Shawn got that from Jayski.  Anyway, if Waltrip is planning to run a #32 car instead of a #55 car, and he's ejected anyway from Daytona, what would that accomplish?  Nothing, unless he has signed another driver to replace him, as long as the points from the #32 car are transferred to the #55 when Waltrip returns.

I can also report that the #55 car has returned to Daytona from the R&D center and is still being inspected at this moment.  Waltrip plans to drive a backup car in at least the second practice, which would send him to the rear of the field if he is allowed to continue for Speedweeks.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 14, 2007, 08:01:49 PM
A friend of mine just posted this info on my other racing list:

"Waltrip's crew chief suspended: David Hyder, the crew chief for Michael
Waltrip, has been suspended indefinitely for infractions discovered on the
#55 Toyota during Sunday's post-qualifying inspection for the Daytona 500.
Further penalties against Waltrip's team will be announced at a press
conference later on Wednesday. They are expected to be more severe than
the two- and four-race suspensions of crew chiefs from four other teams
that were announced on Tuesday. NASCAR chairman Brian France and president
Mike Helton were among those that met with Waltrip and officials from
Michael Waltrip Racing before Wednesday's first practice session. One
official described the situation as "very serious." Lee White, the senior
vice president for Toyota Racing Development that is making its Nextel Cup
debut at Daytona, said he also planned to meet with Waltrip. "I wouldn't
call it a setback, but it's disappointing for anyone that we partner with
to have this happen in some form or fashion," he said. "We will talk with
them to see where we need to go for the future." White said TRD has been
working with NASCAR on the situation. "I can honestly tell you from an
ethics standpoint and integrity, along with character and honesty, those
things are paramount in our company," he said. "We hold ourselves to a
high standard and we hold our teams to high standards. We hope we've
picked the right ones."(ESPN.com)(2-14-2007)"

Awww...what a shame... >:D

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: super61 on February 14, 2007, 08:35:37 PM
you beat me to it, i was just going to post that! got some free time here with the 14inches of snow, 4 foot drifts and a snow day...
i think the comment from TRD speaks volumes

ken


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 14, 2007, 09:08:11 PM
Haha, sorry Ken.  And sorry for your bad weather.  We're just dealing with a severe ice storm here in Maryland and no power since 5:45 this morning.  Lou and I both stayed home from work, but he's got a trusty generator from the camper powering our refrigerator and laptops so we can keep in touch with the outside world. 

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: shawn on February 14, 2007, 11:21:49 PM
The latest on Jayski is a 100k find and 100 driver and owner points.   Plus he didn' get any practice in today and will be starting at the end of the field in his 150 in a backup car.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: sally on February 15, 2007, 12:09:29 AM
Sorry about your weather, Ken.  I managed to avoid the worst of it...just 5 inches of snow and LOTS of wind.
Watching the press conference, sounds like somt sort of fuel additive was mikey's downfall.  The crew chief and VP suspensions are indefinite.  I wonder if Mikey will be in danger of losing Toyota as his manufacturer...they can't be happy about their image with this mess. ::)

Sally

OK Cheryl, quit grinning!


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: super61 on February 15, 2007, 12:24:00 AM
did anyone else notice jim hunter's hat???  NASCAR #48... couldn't help but laugh at the irony of that.
those reporters ask some really dumb ass questions too. I thought at one point robin pemberton was gonna punch that one lady. you could see the fire in his eyes when she asked if this was about toyota....cheryl, is this site considered a news ageny? can we get media clearance? i wanna go and ask dumb ass questions too!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 15, 2007, 01:27:56 AM
I wonder if Mikey will be in danger of losing Toyota as his manufacturer...they can't be happy about their image with this mess. ::)

Sally

OK Cheryl, quit grinning!

Sorry, it took me a while to get here.  Since we we're still running off of generators, we have to alternate between TV and the FIOS router.   >:(

Got the TV on in time to catch the press conference on SPEED and just got done watching a ridiculously hour-long version of NASCAR Now.  Gee, if you have to keep repeating the same stories over and over again, why not simply keep it at an hour?

All I can say is when Marty Smith inteviewed the T*RD guy, I never heard him say "we're standing behind Michael Waltrip."  Guy looked pretty nervious too.  That part does actually make me smile a lot.  And, I suppose it is good to see the Mouth of the South II fall from grace a bit.  As I said, I knew they'd never suspend him though.  Fines were pretty hefty and the points deduction will definitely put him in a deep hole he'll probably not crawl out of any time soon.  And starting at the back tomorrow with only the chance at two spots to make the 500, I have a feeling NASCAR chose that method of keeping him out of the race.  Not a bad deal really.  That way they won't take any heat from his sponsor for denying them a chance to make the race.

What was SO funny during the press conference was Robin Pemberton's response to a question of "how long is indefinite?"  "A long time," he said in a sarcastic voice.  That cracked me up. 

One last thought, funny that SPEED mentioned that Jeremy was docked 105 points for the fuel tampering his Penske team had at Talladega that year.  And Rusty, who was his teammate at the time, can't "ever remember a fine over 50 points"?  That was pretty funny. 

Stay tuned for the latest in CSI:Daytona...

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Vivian on February 15, 2007, 01:59:54 AM
Sorry about everyones weather.  We have rain and cold.

Just got this off Jayski:

Quote
NASCAR Release: NASCAR announced Wednesday that it has confiscated the primary car of the #55 Toyota team that competes in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series with driver Michael Waltrip, as a result of rule violations found during pre- and post-qualifying inspection for the Daytona 500. Crew chief Larry (David) Hyder and the team’s vice president of competition Bobby Kennedy have been ejected from this week’s events at Daytona International Speedway and suspended indefinitely. Hyder also has been fined $100,000.
NASCAR also penalized Waltrip with the loss of 100 driver championship points. His qualifying time from pole day on Feb. 11 was disallowed. Team owner Elizabeth (Buffy) Waltrip has been penalized 100 car owner championship points.
The actions taken by NASCAR resulted from violations of 12- 4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing), 12-4-Q (car, car parts components and/or equipment not conforming to NASCAR rules) and 20-15.2C (gasoline must not be blended with alcohols, ethers or other oxygenates).
The confiscated car and the parts related to the violations will be transported to the NASCAR Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. for further inspection. NASCAR said the investigation of the confiscated car is ongoing.(NASCAR PR)(2-14-2007)

Thanks Jayski

Haven't seen the press release yet.  Don't know if I will have it on tape when I get home tonight.  I was recording practice, NN and Speed Report.

I still think they should not even let him race.  When I left home this morning, they were putting the decals and stuff on one of the white 00 cars just in case. 


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Lou on February 15, 2007, 02:21:33 AM
did anyone else notice jim hunter's hat???  NASCAR #48... couldn't help but laugh at the irony of that.

I knew it wouldn't take long for people to break out the black helicopters.

You may have also noticed that the hat had a '19' preceding the 48 - as in 1948, the year NASCAR started racing at Daytona....

Or maybe it was worn on purpose. Maybe they do have a sense of humor.....

Lou


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: cowboy271 on February 15, 2007, 03:35:15 AM
The inquiring mind wants to know:

Why did NASCAR drag their feet so long on the 55 announcement?  I caught some of the Speed practice coverage around 1:30 PM and the press conference was due any minute.  The second cup practice began at 2 and the announcement was to be made after practice.  A great tease on the part of NASCAR and Speed...keep us guessing.  The press conference finally happened about 5:30 PM.  A big much ado about nothing, asides from the points fine.

Why did the 55 team take so long to begin to prepare a back-up car?  The original 55 car was confiscated on Sunday and there were rumours that they may get the car back.  What happened to the old adage..Prepare for the worst and hope for the best?  Most anyone else would've been preparing a back-up car the minute the other car was confiscated and been ready if the other car wasn't returned.

Why go to the 00 team for a back-up?  It really seems the 55 back-up would've been a more logical choice.  Aren't back-up cars set up to accommodate a driver's preferences, etc?  Nawh, they didn't think the 55 back-up car's fuel system was contaminated also.

I'm just too skeptical in my old age, but I believe the delays and lack of a back-up preparation were due to Mikey and NASCAR negotiations.  I have no idea what they may have been, but I really don't believe the team thought they'd be racing again at Daytona.

Was the fuel additive a rice derived (i.e. Sake) product?  Robin couldn't seem to adequately describe it other than NASCAR had never seen anything like it.  Since NASCAR's been to Japan, I'm sure they've seen Sake, so the team may have gone to the Korean  Soju for an additive.  Soju is a Korean variation of what we in the south call 'shine and I've had the misfortune of experiencing Soju.  Maybe a subtle introduction for Kia/Hyundai?

Lest I digress any more, I enjoyed watching today's Speed broadcast with a somewhat somber DW and no Mikey sound bite every time the camera left the practice action (or lack thereof).






Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Richie on February 15, 2007, 03:47:05 AM
This from That's Racin site:
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (February 14, 2007) – Michael Waltrip’s statement regarding the NASCAR penalties handed down this evening to the No. 55 Michael Waltrip Racing entry:

“In the past 12 months, Michael Waltrip Racing has hired more than 150 people and we currently employ more than 200. Although we have grown at an accelerated pace, it has been our mission to hire people with high moral value and character to properly represent our sponsors and our ownership.

“During preparations for the 2007 season and especially the 2007 Daytona 500, I specifically requested that our competition teams not disrespect NASCAR, our competitors or our sponsors by blatantly circumventing the rules.

“This is not the action of an organization, a manufacturer or a sponsor. This was an independent act done without consent or authorization from me or any of my executive management team. As an owner, I realize I am ultimately held responsible for the actions of my employees. Therefore, I accept the penalties issued tonight by NASCAR.

“I respect NASCAR’s rules, its people and the sport’s integrity, which is why I am so sad and embarrassed. I am dedicated to get to the bottom of this because I will not let the independent act of an individual or individuals tarnish the incredible accomplishment my organization has made to be where we are today.

“I want to apologize to the other owners, who know how hard I’ve worked to get here in such a short period of time, NASCAR, Toyota, NAPA, all my sponsors, the drivers and especially the fans.”


I know many on here will not believe Mikey, But I give him the benefit of the doubt.  He does not deserve to be sent home any more than the Evernham racing stable or Matt Kenseth should.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 15, 2007, 02:08:36 PM
Today's Installment of "As the Intake Manifold Turns..."

From Jayski:

"Toyota issues warning to teams: Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, was emphatic this [the #55 infraction and penalty] was a team issue and not a Toyota issue. While embarrassed over the incident, Toyota officials insisted they would maintain a relationship with MWR. "This is not the way you want to enter NASCAR's Nextel Cup Series by any means," said Jim Aust, the president and CEO of Toyota Racing Development. "For this to happen to him is extremely disappointing and extremely disappointing to Toyota. ... He has certainly apologized to just about anybody that would be associated with his organization. He's beside himself with what's happened." Toyota isn't resting on an [Waltrip] apology. Company officials are expected to send a letter out to all Toyota teams next week stating Waltrip's organization has used two of the company's three strikes. The next team that crosses the line will face the loss of the manufacturer's support. Lee White, the senior vice president for TRD, said TRD worked with NASCAR throughout the process. "I can honestly tell you from an ethics standpoint and integrity, along with character and honesty, those things are paramount in our company," he said. "We hold ourselves to a high standard and we hold our teams to high standards. We hope we've picked the right ones."(ESPN.com)
AND: Jim Aust, vice president or Toyota Racing Development, was asked if this was his worst nightmare. "I would say that's pretty close to accurate," Aust said. "This is a week we had looked forward to for many years. To begin this way certainly takes some of the limelight and happiness out of it." It also doesn't help the Toyota guys win over some NASCAR followers who didn't want them here in the first place. That marketing campaign just got a lot tougher.(ESPN.com)(2-14-2007)

UPDATE 2: A NASCAR source confirmed Hyder will be fired.(ESPN.com)(2-14-2007)"

Pretty harsh words from the manufacturer.  Guess they didn't like Mikey's attempt at a Kamakaze Run. 

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: old hot rodder on February 15, 2007, 05:13:16 PM
This thread has been a hoot, I'm tellin' ya! I'm not sure which part is the funnier.
 Richie, I agree, Mikey should not be sent home. Let him try his best to qualify.
 Just don't try to sell me on the "integrity of the sport" business. There is only so much integrity to go around. Let them race.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Desmond on February 15, 2007, 05:23:49 PM
I have mixed emotion on the penalty.

Yes, losing 100 points right off the bat is pretty strong, and Waltrip now must race his way into the Daytona 500 without the benefit of any practice in the draft.  Granted, he is one of NASCAR's best drafters, but this will be hard to overcome.

But NASCAR should have gone one step further and sent Waltrip himself home.  Of course, sending an owner-driver home would have been unprecedented, but the message would have been the biggest one NASCAR would have ever sent.  Waltrip either knew everything that went on, or at the very least knew about it and did nothing (I simply do not believe last night's statement).  Shameful.

Of course, this is too logical for NASCAR, who considers Waltrip a "teacher's pet" and the new Toyota teams their pet project.  Oh, and don't forget his brother,******edited by moderator******, complete with the platform of Fox Sports. 

So Michael Waltrip still has a shot at this year's Daytona 500, as slim as it is. >:D


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 15, 2007, 05:49:31 PM
I haven't found the actual acticle by Mike Mulhern as I've been having trouble getting the Winston-Salem Journal to load for a few weeks, but here's a post from my friend Tom in Bristol from my other racing group:

"Mulhern first to put a 'name' to the stuff...

...sez it's "polypropylene oxide".

So...did a dictionary search, got "There are no dictionary entries for
polypropylene oxide, but polypropylene, oxide are spelled correctly."
followed by a list of links which led to

http://www.motorsportsracingfuels.com/Additives.html

which has "Power Additives" on the list on the left of the page which
leads to a page with the following item at the bottom of the page:

PURE POWER PROPYLENE OXIDE -  Use one quart Propylene Oxide to treat three
gallons of Gas, Nitro, Methanol or increase a horsepower boost of 7-8%. No
jet or timing change. (Availability in 1 gallon, 5 gallon & Drums.)

 Mulhers sez: 'According to one source, the entire fuel system of
 Waltrip's car
had been packed with the fuel additive polypropylene oxide, a
performance-enhancing oxidant.'

Saw some footage yesterday of the 55 in NASCAR's inspection bay showing an
inspector studying a whole bunch of fuel line pieces on the ground in
front of the car...car and all were loaded on a fifth-wheel trailer
yesterday to head for R&D in Concord."

Will post more if I can get the article itself or something from Jayski:

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Bryan Blanton on February 15, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Hi everyone i think back in 1983 this happened during the fall charlotte race richard petty won the race and either nascar or someone suspected he had a big engine.

And also richard had left side tires on the right side of the car that day.

I think nascar took away all of richard points he had gained that day. I think the engines are supposed to be 358 cubic inches or meters or something like that.

And his was 381.

At the tailend of the race richard petty passed waltrip darrell and darrell said in an interview.

I can't remember what darrell said now i'll have to get my bookout and see what he said.

I've heard some people say darrell had a big motor too that day.

Cause after the race junior johnson darrell's car owner knew nascar was going to take richard petty's car too be inspected so junior told darrell to come in straight off the track and drive his car into the semi and they were leaving.

I think nascar wanted to inspect waltrips engine as well. But they never got the chance too.

But i do know richard lost at least 100 points and i think all of the points gained that day which i think the maximum points you gained in 1983 was 185?

I think that's the biggest point fine in nascar history. If i'm wrong and there was a bigger one somebody please let me know.

I think richard lost all of his 185 points he gained that day.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Bryan Blanton on February 15, 2007, 06:25:49 PM
I have a question. Sorry to go off topic or off of the subject cheryl.

Isn't maurice petty richard petty's brother? Was he the crew chief or engine builder for richard?

When richard got caught with the big engine didn't richard say something about maurice didn't maurice sort of get the blame for what happened with the big engine?

Wasn't he a sort of you know a guy who took the fall - the blame for what happened that day?

I know up until 1995 that the money fine richard got that day which was $38,000 dollars was the biggest money fine in nascar history until 1995.

When junior johnson got the biggest money fine in nascar history he got caught in pre qualifying inspection with an illegal intake manifold in the car he owned.

He was fined $45,000 dollars.



Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Bryan Blanton on February 15, 2007, 06:31:11 PM
Hi everyone also on the day junior johnson's car was caught with the illegal intake manifold nascar would not allow junior's driver brett bodine to qualify on the 1st day of qualifying.

Brett had to comeback and qualify on the 2nd day of time trials which i think was on a monday.

Question for cheryl or any of the other people who have been racefans for a longtime didn't the daytona 500 did they just have 2 days or 3 days of time trials for that race.



Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Bryan Blanton on February 15, 2007, 06:32:46 PM
Why is michael useing david reutimann's backup car was michael's backup car taken by nascar? Or did michael feel david's backup car was faster than his?


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Bryan Blanton on February 15, 2007, 06:35:03 PM
I didn't know jeremy mayfield was fined that many points i'll have to go look that 1 up.



Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: shawn on February 15, 2007, 06:44:19 PM
Why is michael useing david reutimann's backup car was michael's backup car taken by nascar? Or did michael feel david's backup car was faster than his?

I think MWR thought that the 00 backup was a better car than the 55.  But, maybe they were worried that the backup 55 also had that substance in the system?


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 15, 2007, 08:01:29 PM
Finally here's a link to the Mulhern article.  Lou found a way to get to the page!

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ/MGArticle/WSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193215185

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Desmond on February 16, 2007, 05:33:19 PM
Question for cheryl or any of the other people who have been racefans for a longtime didn't the daytona 500 did they just have 2 days or 3 days of time trials for that race.

Once, NASCAR had more than one day of qualifying.  The first day filled, I think, the first 30 spots in the lineup.  The second day filled in the rest.  The Daytona 500 also had two days before the Twin races, with drivers taking the better of the times they recorded for each day.  In 2001, qualifying was reduced to a single day, in exchange for having all qualifying sessions televised.


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Cheryl on February 23, 2007, 01:45:21 PM
This is interesting.  The fall guy is claiming he can't come clean because he has no knowledge of the addititive...

From Jayski:

"UPDATE 2: Michael Waltrip Racing vice president Ty Norris told ESPN.com Thursday that the company offered crew chief David Hyder an opportunity to come clean about the illegal additive found in the fuel system of Waltrip's Toyota following qualifying for the Daytona 500. Hyder didn't do it. In fact, he claims he can't. Norris said Hyder maintained his innocence -- even with the company promise of no termination in exchange for information. Norris said Hyder continues to say he has neither information nor answers as to what the substance is, how it was introduced into the fuel system or, ultimately, what it does. The crew chief was unavailable for comment Thursday. Hyder had been given an indefinite leave of absence with pay from Michael Waltrip Racing on top of his suspension by NASCAR. Norris said earlier this week that Hyder will not be allowed at the shop until it is determined if he had anything to do with the foreign substance that was found in Waltrip's engine during pre-qualifying inspection for last Sunday's 500. NASCAR suspended Hyder and competition director Bobby Kennedy indefinitely. Hyder also was fined $100,000 and Waltrip was penalized 100 championship points. A source close to the situation told ESPN.com last week that Hyder eventually will be fired.(ESPN.com)(2-22-2007)"

Cheryl


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: old hot rodder on February 23, 2007, 04:09:37 PM
  "as the manifold turns" indeed!
  What can one say? Hyders career is now in shambles, and while I don't know much about him, that does seem to be a shame.

 Just remember,
          THE SHADOW KNOWS  ! ;D ;D


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Desmond on February 23, 2007, 06:31:07 PM
Norris said Hyder maintained his innocence -- even with the company promise of no termination in exchange for information. Norris said Hyder continues to say he has neither information nor answers as to what the substance is, how it was introduced into the fuel system or, ultimately, what it does.

He turns down an offer like that?

Hyder reminds me of Randall Leach, the contestant on Deal or No Deal who turned down a bank offer of some $200,000 early in the game.  When the game continued, he eliminated every case with the big amounts and he won only $25.

Hyder is the Randall Leach of NASCAR.  Hopes he enjoys the one penny in his case... :laugh:


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: Vivian on February 23, 2007, 09:21:04 PM
Seems like even if everyone knows what happens in most cases, they have to find someone to point the finger at and then that person  has to take the blame or fall as it may be.  There is always a scape goat in these type of scenarios.  Agree???


Title: Re: Waltrip Intake Manifold Disallowed
Post by: old hot rodder on February 23, 2007, 10:56:38 PM
I agree, Vivian. The crew chief is certainly a likely candidate for being the fall guy in these situations, but it still occurs to me that Hyder just may be telling the truth. He MAY not know how the stuff got into the fuel system. Stranger things have happened.
 Suppose Na$car realy suspected Mikey himself. Are they going to punish a favorite cash cow over this deal?? Probably not, so everyone looks for a fall guy. Bingo! A Crew chief. He will do! and away we go,.... :laugh: