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Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 18, 2006, 10:17:45 PM
Hey, hey, hey!  Yep, I say "Go Seahawks", but not necessarialy because of their or my location.  I just like 'em.  However, I am really, really saying "Go, Denver, Go!!!" because I really want them in the Super Bowl.

I'm gonna miss football after this weekend.  But motorcyle racing is moving right along now so I can also say "Go, Bubba, show 'em how it is done!"  (James Stewart & Kawasaki)  Oh, I watched some Canadian moto cross last night and the course was incredible up in Joliet...great racing also.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on January 19, 2006, 01:58:35 PM
Personally, I'm not going to miss football at all.  I've had more than enough of it since racing ended (and since it's the only other sport I like much anymore).  But I wouldn't ever call myself a big football fan.  And, I have almost NO interest in the playoffs now.  I didn't have much before since my team or Lou's didn't make them; however, something just doesn't seem right when Indianapolis can have an almost perfect season and get knocked out in the first round.  To me, whoever is left just doesn't seem to be the teams who should be contending for the world championship (or whatever they call it in football).    JMHO...

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 19, 2006, 09:27:01 PM
I just dread so much basketball being on now.  I can watch a game in person but not interested in the ones on tv.

29 more days til Daytona speed weeks...


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 19, 2006, 11:52:41 PM
Don't forget the Rolex later this month. Is Tony gonna run again this year?
 Besides, you can stay up all night watching the Rolex, if you want to! :-D

PS-Watch out for Big Ben and The Bus!


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 20, 2006, 02:35:57 AM
Dick, it is so good to have you back on a regular basis.  I smile when I think of how much better you must be feeling.

Yep, I will watch out for both Big Ben and the Bus.  But I think we can overcome them.  I watched an interview with Jake today from Denver and that town is so excited about Sunday.  Their tailgate party starts at 9:30 and the temp is supposed to be 26 degrees.  But when they interviewed Governor Owens today, he said he will be there and appropriately dressed in the orange and blue.  You know, I think it may even be cool if there are two quarterbacks named Jake in the Super Bowl.  But Seattle still tugs on my heart strings so...... :?


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Fenderbender on January 20, 2006, 03:13:35 AM
Seadogs 31
 Kitty cats 24

Denver 38
Pitt       27


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on January 20, 2006, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
Besides, you can stay up all night watching the Rolex, if you want to! :-D


Not unless SPEED is going to show ALL 24 hours like they did that one year (which we did stay up for most of it).  But since that time (and when Fox took over), they've only shown a few hours during the day and then on Sunday morning.  Big loss to the network if you ask me.  I'd be MORE inclined to watch it all night long just for the novelty of it (cause there sure isn't much racing).

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 20, 2006, 03:44:11 PM
Since I was at the race last year, I didn't realize that Speed did not do the whole 24 hours. We saw part of it in the infield building where we had food etc. But I didn't know how much was live. Lots of fun, at the race, by the way. :D


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Desmond on January 20, 2006, 06:11:20 PM
Couple of things:
--Yes, Viv, Tony Stewart is driving in the Rolex 24 again.  Also competing are NASCAR's Rusty Wallace and Casey Mears; IndyCar stars Danica Patrick, Dan Wheldon, Buddy Rice, and Scott Sharp; and Champ Car drivers Sebastian Bourdais and Paul Tracy.  Adrian Fernandez and Michel Jourdain Jr., who have both made the transition from open-wheel to NASCAR, will also be on the track.
--Speed Channel will have 13 hours of coverage, which I believe is slightly less than last year.  I agree with Cheryl that the channel is not taking it that seriously.  Otherwise, it would have enough personnel on hand to cover the whole race.  The MDA telethon is, what, 20 straight hours?
--Championship game picks: both home teams, Broncos and Seahawks.
--Speaking of the Super Bowl, did you know that Roger Penske (owner of #2 and #12 cars) is president of the host city organizing committee?  Here is the committee's web site:
http://www.sbxl.org (http://www.sbxl.org/)


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Bryan Blanton on January 20, 2006, 08:34:33 PM
Sorry cheryl speed will only be televiseing the same amount of the race that they did last year they will not televise all 24 hours.

You know that really surprises me that they don't cause they could have real big ratings with all the nascar stars in it plus danica patrick will be in the race so it really surprises me they don't televise all of it.

Maybe speed and fox just don't have the manpower to televise all 24 hours.

Or maybe fox doesn't want the speed channel to televise all 24 hours cause then fox may have to spend more money than they want to.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 20, 2006, 09:23:11 PM
Des, it was Dick that asked if Tony was running.  I already knew as I keep close tabs on 'Smoke'.  Thanks though cause I forgot to answer his question.   ;)   Do you think Speed only shows some of what they determine to be the most popular driver runs?

Back to the Denver thing, watched Archie Manning being interviewed this morning in Denver (he is there to promote that new Master Card thing where you just tap a scan type thing and it picks up the charge) and he also predicts Denver to beat Pittsburg.  That make me feel better cause I am nervous about this game.  Yep, I get just as excited and nervous about football as I do about racing. :smt107


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 20, 2006, 11:30:44 PM
Vivian, last year, Tony was the highlight of the race till he broke, at least as far as I was concerned. He and that MAD MAX fella were racing hard, even early on.

 As far as Fox and Manpower to do the race is concerned, they actually do televise it all 24 hrs, although some of it apparently is for closed circuit only,I guess.
 
Does anyone remember when the last Superbore was in Detroit? I do, and I thought that it was a joke. Some friends of mine went and did their usual winter activity--(mostly involving the consumption of way too much alcoholic beveridge). :-D   Of course, we were having a particularly cold winter that year,.... :-D


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 21, 2006, 02:52:32 AM
I remember the last SB in Detroit.  It was a bummer, huh?  I almost went.  The only one I ever did go to was at Stanford and we arrived very early and stayed til way after everyone else left.  I just was absorbing the glory of it all since my '9'ers won that year.  I had even stopped in Reno and placed a bet on the game and won about $76.  It was neat.  We went for drinks at the motel lounge afterwards with everyone who was on the shuttle bus and my girlfriend got so sick after drinking so much champagne.  I always was a designated driver type drinker even if we wern't driving at that particular time.  Anyway, she was up all night with her head over the toilet and Don was mad at me cause she and I were the ones with the tickets and he didn't get to go.

You know, I am kind of excited about this Super Bowl even if it isn't going to be in a choice stadium or dome.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 21, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: "Vivian"
I remember the last SB in Detroit.  It was a bummer, huh?  I almost went.  The only one I ever did go to was at Stanford and we arrived very early and stayed til way after everyone else left.  I just was absorbing the glory of it all since my '9'ers won that year.  I had even stopped in Reno and placed a bet on the game and won about $76.  It was neat.  We went for drinks at the motel lounge afterwards with everyone who was on the shuttle bus and my girlfriend got so sick after drinking so much champagne.  I always was a designated driver type drinker even if we wern't driving at that particular time.  Anyway, she was up all night with her head over the toilet and Don was mad at me cause she and I were the ones with the tickets and he didn't get to go.

You know, I am kind of excited about this Super Bowl even if it isn't going to be in a choice stadium or dome.

 Vivian, that is a great story. My middle daughter was a big 49 er fan back then. I think she had a crush on Joe Montana. :-D
 Anyhow, back in 1985, we set a record low temp for today at ---24F. The Bengals played San Diego for the Conf. championship at Cincinnati, and it was really, really cold. I didn't go to that game, no way.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 23, 2006, 04:02:19 PM
Wow, like I said, look out for Big Ben and The Bus. Should be a good super bowl. :shock:


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 23, 2006, 09:14:22 PM
Okay, Dick, don't rub it in!   ;-)

Seriously, Pittsburgh deserved that win.  I think Denver forgot to go to the game.  Pittsburgh had great strategy plays and did an excellent job but that still does not make me like them.  They did good...Both games seemed to be kind of one sided though so it should be a good Super Bowl.

Do you attend a lot of the Cincinatti games?


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on January 23, 2006, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: "Vivian"
I think Denver forgot to go to the game.  Pittsburgh had great strategy plays and did an excellent job but that still does not make me like them.


I couldn't agree with Vivian more on both these points!  Denver's team was sad and their coach had "the deer in the headlight look" most of the game.  But nothing will ever make me like Pittsburgh either.  

I don't really have a dog in this hunt at all.  The second game at least was a bit more competitive, and I didn't favor either team that much (although Carolina's uniforms were more colorful).   :lol:   But I liked Seattle to win since they'd never made it to a Super Bowl in the history of the team.  And since Pittsburgh hasn't been there in 26 years, it will certainly be sort of an underdog game, I guess.  I still think Indy was gipped (even though I don't really like them - they just had the more impressive streak this year).  That must be why I really like racing the most.  Even with the stupid farce of a Chase, ONE race doesn't eliminate someone.

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on January 23, 2006, 11:25:53 PM
Actually, I WAS a Browns Fan till Modell and the politicians got into playing the blame game. Not the same now, and ya gotta like players like Big Ben and the Bus. All in all, I'm a lot more interested in college football.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Desmond on January 24, 2006, 12:43:18 AM
So what if I was one out of two?

Seriously, the Steelers' national following should lift the Super Bowl ratings on ABC.  If the game had been Broncos-Seahawks, the television rating might have fallen below 40 for the first time since the 1960s.  The Denver and Seattle markets are relatively small and neither team draws much attention outside the home market.
 
By the way, this could be the last ever NFL game on ABC.  Next year, Monday Night Football will be on ESPN, while the wait continues for the arrival of NASCAR in 2007.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on January 24, 2006, 02:12:59 AM
Desmond wrote:

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The Denver and Seattle markets are relatively small and neither team draws much attention outside the home market.


I don't know why you think that.  I have been lucky enough to go to a Seattle game and believe me, I had a really hard time getting tickets.  And when I was able to, they were additional aisle seating on the back row of a section.  And when I checked on getting Denver tickets a few years ago, they were sold out and the only thing they could suggest was to place an ad in one of their papers.  I know you specifically said 'home market' but I disagree with that.  Even when I lived in CA and when I have visited family in Florida, I knew fans who were very avid Denver and Seattle fans.  When you don't have what is considered a 'home team', fans tend to gravitate to players and Denver and Seattle have had some great players that long distance fans really supported.

Cheryl, hope this little disagreement did not come across as a debate and argumentative. If it did, please just tell me to delete it.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on January 24, 2006, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: "Vivian"
Cheryl, hope this little disagreement did not come across as a debate and argumentative. If it did, please just tell me to delete it.  


No, Vivian, I think you explained your point without becoming personal.  That's all I ask for around here!   :D

Personally, I knew nothing about either Seattle or Denver for this weekend, and both stadiums looked packed to me, so that illustrates your point to me.  I especially noted all that orange in the Denver stadium.

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on February 06, 2006, 04:41:22 PM
Well, gang, Big Ben and the Bus came through when they had to, but overall I thought Seattle played better. I really had to question that one call that took away a Seattle touchdown, but the official was right there, so he had to see it, right??
 Still in all, the 21 points which the Steelers put up were certainly legit, so I guess they deserved to win.
  Let's go RACIN'. :D


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on February 06, 2006, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
Well, gang, Big Ben and the Bus came through when they had to, but overall I thought Seattle played better. I really had to question that one call that took away a Seattle touchdown, but the official was right there, so he had to see it, right??
 Still in all, the 21 points which the Steelers put up were certainly legit, so I guess they deserved to win.


And I question the one where Rothlesburger (sp?) was going for the touchdown.  You could clearly see he didn't get the ball across the line, but the ref refused to overturn the call.  That really smacked of a NASCAR decision!  Make me say to Lou "is ANY sport legitimate these days???"   :roll:

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Desmond on February 06, 2006, 07:29:51 PM
Indeed, the overriding question is: what were they thinking?

In addition to Roethlisberger being credited with the touchdown, why was Darrell Jackson called for pass interference on an apparent TD earlier in the game?  The points gained by the Steelers and lost by the Seahawks on the two plays were enough to change the outcome of the game.

Also, what were the real reasons for Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw missing the pregame ceremony with the past most valuable players of the Super Bowl?  Each said that they wanted to spend time with their families, but I'm sure everyone who did participate have families they cherish just as much.  Now, there are reports (sorry, don't know the source) that each of them wanted $100,000 as an "appearance fee" and the NFL refused to give it to them.  All we know is that Montana and Bradshaw missed the emotional scene of the night. :smt021

Finally, why did I see the Rolling Stones anyway, despite my threat on an earlier thread?  The (honest) answer: there was nothing better on; the only other choice was something called the Lingerie Bowl, female football players with nothing else on.  Surprisingly, Mick Jagger showed some moves.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on February 06, 2006, 08:47:28 PM
Strange game, all right. I'm pretty sure that when Big Ben came down on his right elbow, the ball did break the plane of the goall line, but I'll grant you that the call on Jackson in the end zone was peculiar.   :shock:


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on February 06, 2006, 10:01:55 PM
I am not a sore loser, but personally I think the final score should have been Seattle 17 and Pittsburg 14.  JMO....There were several questionable calls, two of which I call the touchdowns that were and weren't.  Ever since I have watched football, it seems some teams always have to play the officials as well as the opposing team.  I think Ben's elbow touched the ground before he reached the ball over.  I think the ball was not over when his elbow touched even though they said it was not evident enough to overturn the ruling.  I think the call for offensive pass interference was bogus and Seattle's Jackson just got the short end when it came to legitimate officiating as the Pittsburg player grabbed him first and that could have been interpreted the same way but they never mentioned that grab.

Now as far as the game itself.  Seattle played better most of the day but at times they shot themselves in the foot like in the clock management area.  Also, at times it looked like there was confusion on both sides at times.  Pittsburg played better in the last quarter and their 'gadget play' was the play of the game.  It was a great touchdown!  As far as playing and who really played better, I thought it was fairly even and would have been a much better game if the officiating had been right on.  

Wonder how much money was floating around which dictated the results, imo.... :roll:   Yes, I firmly believe in conspirancy theories when it comes to the NFL.  As far as I am concerned, the fix was on...


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on February 07, 2006, 02:43:05 PM
I definitely agree with Vivian about those two bad calls on touchdowns and that Seattle seemed to play better overall to me.  

Here's an interesting article I found off Jayski yesterday when the author compared the bad calls to those in NASCAR.  Guess we're not the only one with comspiracy theories, huh, Viv?   :lol:

http://www.racingmilestones.com/columns/02062006_sl.shtml

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on February 07, 2006, 03:42:23 PM
OK, Ladies, just to fuel the Money/conspiracy fires a bit, here iss a tidbit that you may not have realized. As we know, Baby Brian idolizes the NFL marketing, etc. This year's Rolex 24 hour race was moved up a week so that it did not conflict with the Super Bowl, as it did last year. Now I think that is a joke, frankly, but to Baby Brian it wasn't. TV ratings? more money wagered? HMMMMMM! :-D


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on February 07, 2006, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
This year's Rolex 24 hour race was moved up a week so that it did not conflict with the Super Bowl, as it did last year. Now I think that is a joke, frankly, but to Baby Brian it wasn't. TV ratings? more money wagered? HMMMMMM! :-D


How about them ruining another tradition?  I consider myself a relatively newer fan as I've only been following racing for about 18 years (I'm serious here - that can't compare to those who have followed it since the 60s).  Anyway, at least since I've been watching, the 24 hours race always kicked off Speed Weeks.  Putting it a week earlier kind of ruined that tradition, didn't it?  Because then we had a big break in the action from then until this weekend.  But then, ISC, Baby Brian, et al, have trashed just about every other tradition, so why not one more in the pursuit of the almighty $$$$ and TV ratings.  

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Desmond on February 07, 2006, 06:17:38 PM
If you noticed, I changed one of the words near the end of my previous thread on the game so that it would not appear that the players at the Lingerie Bowl were completely naked.  Although some of you out there secretly want to see it happen. :roll:

More stuff on the game:
--It had the highest television rating since 2000, a 41.6 number.  The total number of viewers was exceeded only by the final episode of M*A*S*H in 1982.
--Jake Scott (Super Bowl VII) was the only other living Most Valuable Player in the game's history not to attend; he was on vacation, reportedly in Australia.  Harvey Martin, who was one of two MVPs of Super Bowl XII, died in 2000 of pancreatic cancer, at age 53.
--You can now truly call it Hall of Fame Racing: Troy Aikman was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame the day before the game. :smt038   He is the #96 team's co-owner with Roger Staubach.

And one more thing: Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren had been critical of the officials all season.  He was even handed an unusual punishment earlier, when he was not allowed to have the NFL look at tapes of controversial calls.  I don't think the league forgot on Sunday.  Ask James Finch what that's like.


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on February 07, 2006, 07:33:53 PM
OK, Desmond, who is James Finch?


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Cheryl on February 07, 2006, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: "old hot rodder"
OK, Desmond, who is James Finch?


I'm not Desmond, but I can answer that!  He's the owner of Phoenix Racing, who run full-time in the Busch Series and part-time in the Cup Series.  I think Desmond was alluding to what NASCAR did to his Busch team at Talladega last year.  They found something in the carbureter AFTER the race and disqualifed and fined the team and driver (Johnny Sauter for that race).  I think the crew chief was suspended as well.  All indications were, it was pretty much a trumped up charge just to make an example of one of the non big-money teams.  

Cheryl


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Vivian on February 07, 2006, 09:24:09 PM
Desmond wrote:

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And one more thing: Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren had been critical of the officials all season. He was even handed an unusual punishment earlier, when he was not allowed to have the NFL look at tapes of controversial calls. I don't think the league forgot on Sunday. Ask James Finch what that's like.


That makes a lot of sense to me.  Even when they said that Mike remembered that one official and the official remembered him from when he coached high school. (I think they said high school) and they wondered how 2 people could remember each other from so long ago.  Weird...I think Mike was a victim in that show.

BTW, I saw a clip on the news this morning from a late night show that Ben Rothlisberger was on and he was laughing as he said he didn't think the ball was over the line and told his coach that.  So they know that the officials gave them the win.  They now have the prestige even though it was given erronously, so drink it up and soak in the $$$$.

Isn't all sports about the $$$$ these days?????


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: Desmond on February 09, 2006, 05:47:25 PM
Let me correct Cheryl.  The carburetor controversy occurred after Texas, not Talladega.  Sauter, who finished 18th, was stripped of his points and money from the race.  In addition, Finch was fined an additional amount.

Also, some say that a related interview with NASCAR's Robin Pemberton was the downfall of NASCAR Nation.  Two months after that, the show became the abomination we all grew to hate. :smt078


Title: Re: Go Seahawks ! ..huh Viv?
Post by: old hot rodder on February 09, 2006, 10:30:06 PM
OK, kids, thanks for refreshing my memory. I did feel at the time that Finch was indeed a victim.